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Old 02-08-2003, 03:57 PM   #21
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I'm quite grateful that none of the theists here are in any rush to defend this tripe. Shows that's there's at least some threshold for critical thinking.
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Old 02-09-2003, 08:31 AM   #22
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More bad arguments at this site if you are interested .

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Old 02-09-2003, 08:53 AM   #23
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from your site crownboy

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Atheism, by asserting the non-existence of God, carries the burden of proof. The atheist, if he is to assert his belief as fact, must prove that God does not exist. It is under this burden of proof that atheism begins to fall apart, because one cannot prove a universal negative*. For example, while there may not be any evidence that fairies exist, without a complete knowledge of the universe, one cannot assert with 100% certainty that fairies do not exist - fairies may exist somewhere in the universe beyond our knowledge. Such is the case for God. In the case of atheism, a complete knowledge must include that which is beyond the physical universe. Without having full knowledge of every physical dimension and every metaphysical dimension, one cannot know with absolute certainty that a supernatural being such as God does not exist.
Whoeve wrote this already said that weak atheism doesnt count that its just agnosticism. Thats how he shifts the burden of proof to atheism. I love the "one cannot prove a negative" I love this crap.


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if the theory of evolution could be proven to be true, it may call into question the common Christian belief in non-evolutionary special creation
Yeah, if only it could be proven true. if the theory of gravity could be proven true maybe people would stop flying off the earth all willy nilly.


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By contrast, there is evidence that theism is true.
yeah right.

I really need to introduce this guy to the ipu, he would have to believe it based on the impossibility of proving a negative.
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Old 02-09-2003, 09:31 AM   #24
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No one is born an atheist.
Well, right off the bat, I'd have to take off 5 points for this out-and-out inaccuracy. In fact, we are all born atheists! We are later convinced (well, many folks are) that there is some mystical deity who watches everything we do and say, and are subjected to the religious views of our family. Children are indoctrinated from a very young age.
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When dialoguing with atheists, it is helpful to point out the logical problems inherent in their belief system. If you succeed in showing an atheist the natural outcome of some of his (or her) main claims and arguments, you are in a much better position to share the gospel with him.
When dialoguing (is that even a word?) with Xians, be sure to mention to them that atheism is not a belief system, nor is it a worldview. It is simply the lack of belief in a supreme being. If you succeed in showing an Xian the natural outcome of some of his/her main claims and arguments, you are in a much better position to debunk the "gospel."
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And yet, this assertion is logically indefensible. A person would have to be omniscient and omnipresent to be able to say from his own pool of knowledge that there is no God. Only someone who is capable of being in all places at the same time - with a perfect knowledge of all that is in the universe - can make such a statement based on the facts.
The assertion that there is a god is equally indefensible. No one has yet been able to prove without a doubt that god exists, otherwise we'd all be theists of some sort. Faith doesn't necessarily make something true.
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This point can be forcefully emphasized by asking the atheist if he has ever visited the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. Mention that the library presently contains over 70 million items (books, magazines, journals, etc.). Also point out that hundreds of thousands of these were written by scholars and specialists in the various academic fields. Then ask the following question: "What percentage of the collective knowledge recorded in the volumes in this library would you say are within your own pool of knowledge and experience?" The atheist will likely respond, "I don't know. I guess a fraction of one percent." You can then ask: "Do you think it is logically possible that God may exist in the 99.9 percent that is outside your pool of knowledge and experience?"
Does this mean that the LoC contains absolute knowledge about everything? I think not.
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The false assumption on the part of the atheist is that God's only choice is to deal with evil all at once in a single act. God, however, is dealing with the problem of evil throughout all human history. One day in the future, Christ will return, strip power away from the wicked, and hold all men and women accountable for the things they did during their time on earth. Justice will ultimately prevail. Those who enter eternity without having trusted in Christ for salvation will understand just how effectively God has dealt with the problem of evil.
This is based on your book which atheists also do not believe in as other than a work of fiction. No, this shows that god is not omnipotent, because if he was, he could eliminate evil all at once. For him not to, shows how cruel he is by allowing humanity to be subjected to evil.
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Perhaps through your witness and prayers his faith in atheism will be overturned by a newfound faith in Christ.
Perhaps not. Perhaps through real logic not strawmen, will the theist be forced to reconsider his/her position and come to their senses about the silliness of their faith.
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