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Anti-Creedance Front · 10-07-2002, 05:38 PM

I think Hindu had massive influenced on Zoroastrianism, due to the fact that Persians are an Indo-Aryan people. Aryans usually carried their gods with them when they moved around. That is really interesting that Zoroastrianism seems to have had an impact on Hindu, you would think only vice versa, since Hindu is more or less the mother religion.

Boro Nut · 10-08-2002, 03:50 AM

If any religion was going to appeal to me it would be Zoroastrianism, especially if it involves Katherine Zeta-Jones or equivalent Welsh totty. I quite like the dark clothes and swinging from chandeliers stabbing Mexicans image too.

Boro Nut

atrahasis · 10-14-2002, 05:07 AM

This is the largest amount of Cr**** i have ever heard in my entire life.....

Grizzly · 10-14-2002, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Black Moses:
<strong>This is the largest amount of Cr**** i have ever heard in my entire life.....

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Black Moses - Would you care to elaborate on your statement? It's kinda hard to determine what it is that you are reacting to.

Grizzly

Sarpedon · 10-14-2002, 06:06 PM

He probably is angry about the suggestion that judaism is based on zoroastrianism, or my pointing out the alternative, atenistic theory. I would like to say that here I have seen nothing but credible theories discussed. Even though I, dabbler that I am, cannot refer you to any good sources, I would not mention any of the weirder and less credible theories that I have encountered. Every thing I post has some kind of credibility, and I frequently add disclaimers. Likewise, the others on here are even more concientious, frequently giving references. We are not here to offend, but to discuss. If you have a different view, please speak up, or find a less offensive topic.

Bluenose · 10-14-2002, 06:45 PM

"never been there:...does the Bible ever actually use the word "Magi" to describe the 3 wise men...?"
'Magian'is the Greek word used 4 times [only in Matt.]at 2.1, 2.7 and twice at 2.16 for the 'wise men'KJV. Dr. Robert Young translates it as 'Persian astronomer or priest'

never been there · 10-15-2002, 07:01 PM

Bluenose: You know the Greek? Great! Thanks!

I wonder what prompted the change in the KJV - they just didn't know what a 'Magian' was and looked it up in a dictionary?

I'll have to use that on a KJV-only fanatic should I run into one.

Anti-Creedance Front · 10-21-2002, 02:46 PM

Actually, the way I see it, the new editions of the Bible are a ploy to alter it to make it more and more conforming to modern times, thus erasing the "errors" people find with it. Ala the Newspeak Dictionary in 1984. What do you think?

Sarpedon · 10-22-2002, 05:08 AM

Absolutely Creedence!

One of the more glaring deliberate mistranslations of the bible is one which I learned about on a website called biblicalstupidity or something. It involves the word "firmament" as a synonym for "sky". Now firmament is a word that many don't think about its meaning, that is something solid (firma). That word is a stand in for a hebrew word (rahav or something) that means "metal". The bible literally says that god (or the gods, see below) put a metal dome over the earth. That of course is extraordinarily stupid.

Another one is the translation of the word "elohim" in the book of genesis. "elohim" means literaly "the gods"--as in "in the beginning, the gods created the earth." Naturally, this word is generally translated as "the Lord". This explains why god talks to himself, calling himself in the 3rd person in genesis. In the correct translation, this makes sense, the gods are consulting with each other, but in the mistranslation, we have a god who talks to himself, referring to himself as "we." doubtless this problem will be changed in future translations, perhaps to read "then god thought, I should create beings in my own image" for example.

Anti-Creedance Front · 10-25-2002, 02:09 PM

I'm glad to see someone sees this also, but I'm going to make a different topic about it, since this one's about Zoroastrianism and we should stay on subject.

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10-07-2002, 05:38 PM	#21
Anti-Creedance Front Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 452	I think Hindu had massive influenced on Zoroastrianism, due to the fact that Persians are an Indo-Aryan people. Aryans usually carried their gods with them when they moved around. That is really interesting that Zoroastrianism seems to have had an impact on Hindu, you would think only vice versa, since Hindu is more or less the mother religion.

10-08-2002, 03:50 AM	#22
Boro Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 3,909	If any religion was going to appeal to me it would be Zoroastrianism, especially if it involves Katherine Zeta-Jones or equivalent Welsh totty. I quite like the dark clothes and swinging from chandeliers stabbing Mexicans image too. Boro Nut

10-14-2002, 05:07 AM	#23
atrahasis Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South of Sahara Posts: 216	This is the largest amount of Cr**** i have ever heard in my entire life.....

10-14-2002, 06:06 PM	#25
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	He probably is angry about the suggestion that judaism is based on zoroastrianism, or my pointing out the alternative, atenistic theory. I would like to say that here I have seen nothing but credible theories discussed. Even though I, dabbler that I am, cannot refer you to any good sources, I would not mention any of the weirder and less credible theories that I have encountered. Every thing I post has some kind of credibility, and I frequently add disclaimers. Likewise, the others on here are even more concientious, frequently giving references. We are not here to offend, but to discuss. If you have a different view, please speak up, or find a less offensive topic.

10-14-2002, 06:45 PM	#26
Bluenose Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: small cold water flat Posts: 471	"never been there:...does the Bible ever actually use the word "Magi" to describe the 3 wise men...?" 'Magian'is the Greek word used 4 times [only in Matt.]at 2.1, 2.7 and twice at 2.16 for the 'wise men'KJV. Dr. Robert Young translates it as 'Persian astronomer or priest'

10-15-2002, 07:01 PM	#27
never been there Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB Posts: 2,144	Bluenose: You know the Greek? Great! Thanks! I wonder what prompted the change in the KJV - they just didn't know what a 'Magian' was and looked it up in a dictionary? I'll have to use that on a KJV-only fanatic should I run into one.

10-21-2002, 02:46 PM	#28
Anti-Creedance Front Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 452	Actually, the way I see it, the new editions of the Bible are a ploy to alter it to make it more and more conforming to modern times, thus erasing the "errors" people find with it. Ala the Newspeak Dictionary in 1984. What do you think?

10-22-2002, 05:08 AM	#29
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	Absolutely Creedence! One of the more glaring deliberate mistranslations of the bible is one which I learned about on a website called biblicalstupidity or something. It involves the word "firmament" as a synonym for "sky". Now firmament is a word that many don't think about its meaning, that is something solid (firma). That word is a stand in for a hebrew word (rahav or something) that means "metal". The bible literally says that god (or the gods, see below) put a metal dome over the earth. That of course is extraordinarily stupid. Another one is the translation of the word "elohim" in the book of genesis. "elohim" means literaly "the gods"--as in "in the beginning, the gods created the earth." Naturally, this word is generally translated as "the Lord". This explains why god talks to himself, calling himself in the 3rd person in genesis. In the correct translation, this makes sense, the gods are consulting with each other, but in the mistranslation, we have a god who talks to himself, referring to himself as "we." doubtless this problem will be changed in future translations, perhaps to read "then god thought, I should create beings in my own image" for example.

10-25-2002, 02:09 PM	#30
Anti-Creedance Front Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 452	I'm glad to see someone sees this also, but I'm going to make a different topic about it, since this one's about Zoroastrianism and we should stay on subject.

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