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Tricia · 04-06-2002, 06:42 PM

No tienes una vaca, I just wanted the other peoples' opinions.

~Tricia

phlebas · 04-06-2002, 10:12 PM

Man.... the corpse of the ODD forum at the ILJ boards is barely cold, and Tricia is already back

hezekiah jones · 04-07-2002, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by phlebas:
Man.... the corpse of the ODD forum at the ILJ boards is barely cold, and Tricia is already back

Yes, but this time, for once, she has a point!

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Originally posted by Tricia:
I didn't have a point really ...

Oh no. Scratch that.

Vorkosigan · 04-07-2002, 12:46 AM

Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion -- a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint -- and Mr. Gish is but one of many to make it -- the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.

Commentary like this is dangerous and stupid. It plays into the hands of unscrupulous power-hungry authoritarians like Gish. I'm sure it will be widely quoted by them, Evolution is not a religion or an ideology, but a theory about how life changed over time.

Michael

Queen of Swords · 04-07-2002, 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by phlebas:
Man.... the corpse of the ODD forum at the ILJ boards is barely cold, and Tricia is already back

And to think that <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=44&t=000221&p=1" target="_blank">she said</a> :

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I leave with no regrets except that I didn't leave sooner... I feel like God has told me that I need to leave. I've been getting closer and closer to Him, which excites me. I don't want to quench the Spirit, so I will obey Him.

Either God changed His mind, or He just wasn't exciting enough.

Answerer · 04-07-2002, 04:52 AM

Religion involve the worship of a God or gods, since evolution can't said to have a God for worship, it is not a religion.

Tricia · 04-07-2002, 10:04 AM

I'm sorry, but I'm so freakin BORED!

04-07-2002, 10:11 AM

Not all religions involve belief in/worship of god(s). Cast your net a bit wider!

I disagree that one cannot draw any moral conclusions from evolution. Evolutionary theory is not about morality, but surely if we think that human beings are a kind of ape rather than that they are beings who have experienced a fall from perfection because a distant ancestor ate an apple, that gives us a distinct starting point for philosophy and ethics.

Queen of Swords · 04-07-2002, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Tricia:
<strong>I'm sorry, but I'm so freakin BORED!</strong>

Your "walk with god" failed to stimulate?

Tricia · 04-07-2002, 01:42 PM

says who I can't walk with God and be on this site?

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04-06-2002, 06:42 PM	#21
Tricia Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: College Station, Tx Posts: 675	No tienes una vaca, I just wanted the other peoples' opinions. ~Tricia

04-06-2002, 10:12 PM	#22
phlebas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Metropolis Posts: 916	Man.... the corpse of the ODD forum at the ILJ boards is barely cold, and Tricia is already back

04-07-2002, 12:46 AM	#24
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion -- a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint -- and Mr. Gish is but one of many to make it -- the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today. Commentary like this is dangerous and stupid. It plays into the hands of unscrupulous power-hungry authoritarians like Gish. I'm sure it will be widely quoted by them, Evolution is not a religion or an ideology, but a theory about how life changed over time. Michael

04-07-2002, 04:52 AM	#26
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Religion involve the worship of a God or gods, since evolution can't said to have a God for worship, it is not a religion.

04-07-2002, 10:04 AM	#27
Tricia Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: College Station, Tx Posts: 675	I'm sorry, but I'm so freakin BORED!

04-07-2002, 10:11 AM	#28
DMB Guest Posts: n/a	Not all religions involve belief in/worship of god(s). Cast your net a bit wider! I disagree that one cannot draw any moral conclusions from evolution. Evolutionary theory is not about morality, but surely if we think that human beings are a kind of ape rather than that they are beings who have experienced a fall from perfection because a distant ancestor ate an apple, that gives us a distinct starting point for philosophy and ethics.

04-07-2002, 01:19 PM	#29
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Tricia: <strong>I'm sorry, but I'm so freakin BORED!</strong> Your "walk with god" failed to stimulate?

04-07-2002, 01:42 PM	#30
Tricia Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: College Station, Tx Posts: 675	says who I can't walk with God and be on this site?

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