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Old 04-22-2001, 04:16 PM   #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by notquitetheist?:
As a panentheist and home schooler, I am looking for atheistic criticisms of the panentheist worldview. Can anyone here point me in the right direction? </font>
OT. How do you suppose this person managed to post here while unregisted? A hacker perhaps? Or a bug in the system?
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Well, I have subscribed to the worldview, based upon scientific and historical evidence, that nature is a closed system needing no causes above it - it is self-existent and self-organizing (that is Darwinian evolution). I think it is the One Truth, and that it should be made into a way of life (not a rigid, fanatical way of life, but a method of secular spirituality). That is what "religious metaphysical naturalism" means - the findings of science converted into a spiritual system.</font>
Interesting viewpoint but it sounds like mysticism to me any way you cut the cheese. Which is ok by me....

 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dr wu:
Interesting viewpoint but it sounds like mysticism to me any way you cut the cheese. Which is ok by me....
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One of the complaints I have with regard to bare-bones atheism is it's negative... you define your worldview by negating (a-) another (-theism). I had to do that at first, but you can only be negative for so long, then you get fed up. So I (and some other folks before me) came up with a great idea: let's turn atheism into a religion! That'd be nice. But what about priests? Heaven/Hell? Naw, you can't have those in atheism, unfortunately...

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Old 04-24-2001, 08:55 PM   #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by devnet:
One of the complaints I have with regard to bare-bones atheism is it's negative... you define your worldview by negating (a-) another (-theism). I had to do that at first, but you can only be negative for so long, then you get fed up. So I (and some other folks before me) came up with a great idea: let's turn atheism into a religion! That'd be nice. But what about priests? Heaven/Hell? Naw, you can't have those in atheism, unfortunately... </font>
Actually, the Lavey Satanists had more-or-less all that stuff within the context of an essentially atheistic belief system.

And (aside from my own Agnostic Church, which presently exists only in virtual reality) there are several groups of atheists who have founded various atheistic sorts of churches. Among them are:If you wish to subscribe to the basic doctrines of either of these organizations, you may obtain a charter from them and operate under the umbrella of a group with at least some sort of history, and at least some degree of pre-existence.

Just a random thought in the breeze.

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Thanks all for the links. In fact, DChicken has already referred me to the Churches of Freethought, in the thread about the Unitarian Universalists (the U2s, I call them). Ah, Bill, I forgot, you're the Pope (pope at agnostic org)! I'll make some confessions to you in the future .

Just one more thing I've spotted here quite often: when you quote in bold, keep in mind that a UBB directive for bold nested in bold is ignored (so you get "b" in square brackets instead of formatting, and the "slash-b" canceller later). If you quote in bold and would like to emphasize a word, just unbold it. As a friend of mine says: in the world of stressed entities, the unstressed entity is king. Thx.
 
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OT. How do you suppose this person managed to post here while unregisted? A hacker perhaps? Or a bug in the system? </font>
More likely, it was posted originally in Feedback and moved here by the Moderator (Don Morgan).

Just a guess.....

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