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GaryP · 05-31-2003, 04:49 AM

While in Poland --

KRAKOW, Poland, May 30 -- President Bush, citing two trailers that U.S. intelligence agencies have said were probably used as mobile biological weapons labs, said U.S. forces in Iraq have "found the weapons of mass destruction" that were the United States' primary justification for going to war.

In remarks to Polish television at a time of mounting criticism at home and abroad that the more than two-month-old weapons hunt is turning up nothing, Bush said that claims of failure were "wrong." The remarks were released today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hptop_tb

Now that he has said it, it MUST be true!

Misso · 05-31-2003, 07:51 AM

Even if it's true, how would this be a threat to the US, or the western worl in general? Saddam had just destroyed his missiles, he has no way of delivering it.

Anachronix · 05-31-2003, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Misso
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Saddam had just destroyed his missiles, he has no way of delivering it.

Yeah he was destroying them, at the same time as he was making more

That being said, if all the 'evidence' they have is two trucks, then I don't think many people will be satisfied. It will take a rather large stockpile of launch-ready weapons (or at least complete warheads) to sway the hoi-polloi to their cause.

peacenik · 05-31-2003, 08:37 AM

What's even more ridiculous is the fact that these alleged mobile labs, which just happen to have no residue of any biological weapons, were found in Northern Iraq where Saddam hasn't been in power since the first Gulf War, or should I say Oil War I. Why would Saddam have moved his WMD's into territory where he has no control and they could fall into enemy hands. That would be like the U.S. moving its nuclear weapon stockpile into Fidel Castro's Cuba? The Bullshit that this administration keeps putting out to the American public and the world never ceases to amaze me? Yet most Americans continue to believe his bullshit! :banghead: :banghead:

John Hancock · 05-31-2003, 08:40 AM

Those trucks are of dual use capabilities :boohoo: George.

Martin

Daleth · 05-31-2003, 08:43 AM

Trucks! I imagine they were going to drive them into us at very high speeds. I'm so impressed.

Mr. Superbad · 05-31-2003, 09:56 AM

Vanishing Agents

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The report notes that the trailers contain a fermenter, water-supply tanks, an air compressor, a water-chiller, a device for collecting exhaust gases�just the right components for an "ingeniously simple, self-contained bioprocessing system." The trailers are also "strikingly similar" to descriptions of mobile-bioweapons plants provided by Iraqi exiles who claim to have worked in them or witnessed others who did. Secretary of State Colin Powell displayed drawings, based on these descriptions, during his Feb. 5 "smoking-gun" briefing to the U.N. Security Council.

Read closely, though, the CIA report reveals considerable ambiguity about the nature of these vehicles. For example, it notes that Iraqi officials�presumably those currently being interrogated�say the trailers were used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather-balloons. (Many Army units float balloons to monitor the accuracy of artillery fire.) In response to this claim, the report states:

Some of the features of the trailer�a gas-collection system and the presence of caustic�are consistent with both bioproduction and hydrogen production. The plant's design possibly could be used to produce hydrogen using a chemical reaction, but it would be inefficient. The capacity of this trailer is larger than the typical units for hydrogen production for weather balloons.

One could ask: Since when was Saddam's Iraq considered a model of efficiency?

The report concedes that U.S. officials found no traces of any bioweapons agent inside the trailers. "We suspect," it states, "that the Iraqis thoroughly decontaminated the vehicle to remove evidence." That's possible.

The report also notes that, in order to produce biological weapons, each trailer would have to be accompanied by a second and possibly a third trailer, specially designed to grow, process, sterilize, and dry the bacteria. Such trailers would "have equipment such as mixing tanks, centrifuges, and spray dryers"�none of which were spotted in the trailers that were found. The problem, the CIA acknowledges, is that "we have not yet found" these post-production trailers. Question: Is it that they haven't been found�or that they don't exist?

This is pathetic.

peacenik · 05-31-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally quoted by Mr. Superbad

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This is pathetic.

Your right Mr. Superbad, this cover-up by the Bush administration is pathetic. I am glad to see that your views have changed since the post below when you were completely buying into the Bush and Wolfowich propoganda:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=45730

In the above post you stated:

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Yes it will. However, over twelve years of inspections and Iraq is still pursuing WMD. It's likely Saddam has plans to use them, either with threats or using a terrorist proxy so he can't be directly linked to them, in the future if we do not act. . . . Saddam seems to be planning on using chemical and biological, either as a first strike before our troops move, or as soon as they start to move. They are planning on blowing up dams, and blowing up oil fields, and trying to draw us into an urban street battle. He'll do anything in his power to draw out the war and make it as bloody as possible.

Of course none of this propoganda proved to be true after all. At least you, unlike most Americans have now recognized that Bush was just lying. I hope more Americans come around like you have.

Mr. Superbad · 05-31-2003, 11:15 AM

Yeah, I bought into it initially. Then the diplomatic efforts fell apart, it was found we were using forged documents as evidence, the UAV death plane turned out to be some piece of crap balsa wood wing RC plane with a five mile limit, people in high positions of power started saying our evidence was bogus, etc... That woke me up.

ex-idaho · 05-31-2003, 11:27 AM

What will it take for the world and Americans especially to call bullshit on this guy?

05-31-2003, 04:49 AM	#1
GaryP Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lancaster, OH Posts: 1,792	Bush--"We HAVE found WMD's" While in Poland -- KRAKOW, Poland, May 30 -- President Bush, citing two trailers that U.S. intelligence agencies have said were probably used as mobile biological weapons labs, said U.S. forces in Iraq have "found the weapons of mass destruction" that were the United States' primary justification for going to war. In remarks to Polish television at a time of mounting criticism at home and abroad that the more than two-month-old weapons hunt is turning up nothing, Bush said that claims of failure were "wrong." The remarks were released today. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hptop_tb Now that he has said it, it MUST be true!

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05-31-2003, 07:51 AM	#2
Misso Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 570	Even if it's true, how would this be a threat to the US, or the western worl in general? Saddam had just destroyed his missiles, he has no way of delivering it.

05-31-2003, 08:37 AM	#4
peacenik Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 331	What's even more ridiculous is the fact that these alleged mobile labs, which just happen to have no residue of any biological weapons, were found in Northern Iraq where Saddam hasn't been in power since the first Gulf War, or should I say Oil War I. Why would Saddam have moved his WMD's into territory where he has no control and they could fall into enemy hands. That would be like the U.S. moving its nuclear weapon stockpile into Fidel Castro's Cuba? The Bullshit that this administration keeps putting out to the American public and the world never ceases to amaze me? Yet most Americans continue to believe his bullshit! :banghead: :banghead:

05-31-2003, 08:40 AM	#5
John Hancock Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 2,231	Those trucks are of dual use capabilities :boohoo: George. Martin

05-31-2003, 08:43 AM	#6
Daleth Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: NYC, 5th floor, on the left Posts: 372	Trucks! I imagine they were going to drive them into us at very high speeds. I'm so impressed.

05-31-2003, 11:15 AM	#9
Mr. Superbad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Well fortified mountain bunker Posts: 3,567	Yeah, I bought into it initially. Then the diplomatic efforts fell apart, it was found we were using forged documents as evidence, the UAV death plane turned out to be some piece of crap balsa wood wing RC plane with a five mile limit, people in high positions of power started saying our evidence was bogus, etc... That woke me up.

05-31-2003, 11:27 AM	#10
ex-idaho Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spudtopia, ID Posts: 5,315	What will it take for the world and Americans especially to call bullshit on this guy?

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