yguy

So where exactly in the above would I find a contradiction of Dr Laura's claim?

Just what is the difference between pansexual and bisexual, seeing there are only two sexes? How is this anything but a semantical dodge?

And again, where is the contradiction of the statement in question? How does it follow from the claim that pedophiles are "pansexual" that the greatest percentage of pedophiles is not in the homosexual community? If the DL's claim is false because she said "homosexual" instead of "bisexual", would the change make the statement true?

And of course if pedophiles are neither homo nor hetero, the claim that most pedophiles are hetero is obviously false.

Dr Rick

Asked if he'll back up what he posts...and just hours later when reminded that he declined to support his claims and given another chance to do so:
He kinda' "forgot" the challenge:

Dr Rick

Wanna' bet?

dk

dk: Fr Andrew actually presented a much more damning criteria, he said homosexuality was based on gender. That being the case then every man that sexually molests a little boy is a homosexual i.e. acting from a same sex attraction. Such a criteria makes 100% of the men that sexually molest little boys homosexuals. This still doesn't address why women are rarely pedophiles, and makes anyone against child sexual abuse a pedophobe.
miss djax: Uh, no. You neglect the part of the equation where the pedophile is attracted to a CHILD, and not an adult. Homosexual orientation would mean that the pedophile would also be attracted to male adults. hardly the case. Pedophiles find themselves unable to perform with adults, castigated and castrated, so to speak.
dk: Fr Andrews said “Whether or not one has a fondness for redheads or brunettes (or children) is irrelevant to whether or not one is homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual.” I like you find the premise outrages. I’m not sure what the biological or developmental source of pedophilia might be. Pedophilia is one of several sexual and gender identity, personality, disorders called paraphilia along with fetishism, transvestitism, exhibitionism, voyeurism, sadism, sexual masochism, and/or partialism.

miss djax: . . Additionally, research indicates that there is a second and third link to causation of pedophiles. In addition to most abusers having been abused themselves, there is an indication there is adifference in terms of brain function due to injury. Thirdly, chromosomes differences..
. . Scientists aren't sure what causes pedophilia or why most pedophiles are men, but they have some intriguing clues.
. . An abnormality in the chromosomes is one plausible cause, says Johns Hopkins University psychiatrist Frederick Berlin. Patients with one type of abnormality have a high rate of pedophilia.
. . Brain injury also might trigger the disorder, says Berlin, because normal adults have developed pedophilia after suffering brain injuries in car accidents.
. . Pedophiles also are more likely than average to have suffered childhood sexual abuse, usually by a man. Abused girls may become sexually promiscuous, but they don't turn to children, says Berlin.
. . Molested boys, however, are more likely to "fixate" at an immature sexual level, like a broken CD player that keeps playing the first few notes over and over again.
. . Boys may notice sexual arousal more easily than girls because their penises become erect, "and that may sexualize the childhood experience for them in a way it doesn't for girls," says Kinsey Institute director John Bancroft. But sex with an adult makes them feel out of control, "and there's a pattern of reasserting control by turning to children when they're grown up," Bancroft speculates.
dk: I’m sorry to report you’ve misrepresented the facts claiming a “causal link. Your facts amount to random data points selected for intuitive appeal then mouthed by the appropriate authorities in a vein attempt to ease public anxiety and Megan Laws. I find it difficult to give any credence to the expert testimony given by APA certified morons in parole hearings on behalf of pedophiles.

miss djax: Men overall are vulnerable to many more sexual fetishes and disorders than women, with pedophilia just one more biology-based "way of going awry," he says.
There's been hardly any research into the causes, prevention or treatment of pedophilia, Berlin says. "We're at the point we were at with alcoholism a few decades ago, the 'bum in the gutter,' pre-Betty Ford Clinic stage where we see it only as a moral issue.
"It is a moral issue," he says, " but it's also a public health problem, and we need to do a lot more research if we're going to stop it."
dk: Alcohol and drug abuse continues unabated. Science and medicine have made painfully little progress on either score over the last 40 years. Over the last 100 years the only significant developments have been Mom’s Against Drunk Drivers, and the 12 step program Alcoholics Anonymous, neither having anything to do with science. The greatest scientific discovery about alcohol came unexpectedly as study after study confirmed alcohol taken in moderation had significant health benefits. You’re living on cloud nine.

Fr.Andrew

(dk): Fr Andrew actually presented a much more damning criteria, he said homosexuality was based on gender.
(Fr Andrew): Close...I said that sexual orientation is a matter of gender attraction.

(dk): That being the case then every man that sexually molests a little boy is a homosexual i.e. acting from a same sex attraction.
(Fr Andew): You'd think so, wouldn't you---but research doesn't bear that out. Did you go the the link that I posted a few days ago? The one showing that 98% of the boys in a 269 child study were molested by heterosexuals?
Go figure.

(dk): Such a criteria makes 100% of the men that sexually molest little boys homosexuals.
(Fr Andrew): Or bisexual or heterosexuals on a power trip of some sort. Remember, sexual behavior and sexual orientation are different things.

mecca777

Very well; I deny Dr Laura's claim. I have spent the last twenty minutes or so entering every possible variant spelling of "Dr Aarden VanWeg" into several different search engines, including Google, Altavista and PubMed. I found exactly four results (none from PubMed), which were all variations on the Dr Laura quote you listed. I found no other evidence that Dr VanWeg exists, no other cites for his studies (not even from other anti-homosexuality websites).

The claim in bold cannot be verified, the original study (if it ever existed) cannot be found, and therefore the veracity of the claim is completely unproven. It is hearsay, nothing more, and hearsay from a person with a long and aggressive antipathy towards same-sex relationships. And furthermore, you ought to do your homework before you say these things.

Fr.Andrew

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yguy
"Well, according to Dr. Aarden VanWeg (sp?), an expert in homosexuality and other forms of deviant sexual behavior in Holland, that although numerically there are more pedophiles that are heterosexual, percentage-wise in a population, it's much greater in the homosexual community.

(Fr Andrew): I'm not a statistician, but this doesn't sound quite right. There are fewer homosexuals than heterosexuals, so in a look at the general population the percentage of pedophiles who are homosexual will certainly be greater than the percentage of pedophiles who are heterosexual.
Now, if Dr Van Weig had taken a group of homosexuals and a group of heterosexuals and compared the number of pedophiles within those groups, and discovered that there were more pedophiles among the homosexual group than among the heterosexual group, his findings may be more helpful to whatever crusade you're on.
I imagine that if one wanted to do a study, they'd find in the general population a greater percentage of pedopohiles who are left-handed...for the same reason.

HelenM

You said that girls are molested more and most abusers are male. That argues that most pedophiles are male heterosexuals.

I hope that was a typo.

It doesn't even follow from what you wrote above that they are

Huh?

Being a pedophile is not about personality. Nor is being gay. Do you even know what a personality disorder is? It seems that you don't, or you wouldn't have asked this question.

Helen

HelenM

Why does ethics have no meaning if we are talking about homosexuals living together adopting children?

That can't be right. A fetish is a desire/behavior, not an object!

They're simply descriptions of 'what is', aren't they?

Is your problem with them that you'd rather see someone described as 'regularly and continually attracted to the same gender and not the opposite gender' than 'homosexual' because leaves room for their sexual response being a learned one rather than innate?

Do gay people do anything heterosexual people don't do - in terms of pornography and promiscuity and egotism? I doubt it.

Do you think there is an ethical crisis among all the heterosexual people whose relationships mirror those of homosexual people i.e. they are having casual sex, not getting married and forming families, etc.? If not, why not? What's the difference?

Helen

miss djax

and you are wholly wrong..there has been significant progress in understanding why people become addicts.. and there are links to brain chemistry there as well....nice deflection tactic tho, to move to discussions about alcoholism instead of dealing with the question at hand...

miss djax