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ieyeasu · 08-11-2003, 05:55 AM

My wizard's staff has a knob on the end.

Uncut. I try to spread word of the evils of circumcision, but most people won't have it.

Rational BAC · 08-11-2003, 06:30 AM

The story I have always heard (not sure if any truth to it or not) was that infant male circumsizion became almost universal in the US during WW2. --------------------- All I know for sure was that the kids growing up in US schools in the 50's and 60's were virtually ALL circumsized.

Reason supposedly was that most doctors were Jewish and the idea was that the Nasties (or any future anti-semitics) would not be able to tell who was Jewish and who wasn't by a simple pulling down of the pants.

Theli · 08-11-2003, 08:28 AM

Not many people has chosen option 3. I wonder... if noone was involuntary circumsized as a child, how many of those would chose to perform the operation as adults?

Personally, I have always seen circumsition as a way for religion of claiming ownership over a person. Why not tatoo or burn "republican" in the back of our children also?

:banghead:

Rational BAC · 08-11-2003, 09:00 AM

As stated before, after WW2 circumcision did not denote any religion at all in the US. All it meant was a male American. And that was true for at least 20 years.

I think that uncircumsized males are making a comeback in the US today. (As far as I can tell going to the gym these days). Just as well. There really is no medical reason for it. And I doubt the Nasties are going to make any kind of return to try and determine who is Jewish and who is not.

One of the oddest things in history was Michaelangelo's depiction of an uncircumsized David in his famous statue. What was he thinking?

tronvillain · 08-11-2003, 09:38 AM

Of course, it should be pointed out that the complete circumcision we are used to today is are more extreme than Old Testament circumcision, which only removed part of the foreskin. Anyway, I am glad to say that in Canada these days infant circumcision is virtually extinct, and has been for quite a while.

wally · 08-11-2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Theli
......... how many of those would chose to perform the operation as adults?..........

According to B.B. King's autobiography "Blues All Around Me" he did. He said because of infections and dificulty urinating - he was about 50 at the time, the book didn't say exactly. It didn't seem to hurt his playing and singing any.

HaysooChreesto! · 08-11-2003, 12:03 PM

Like the majority of American males, I had my foreskin removed at birth. Since I don't know what it's like to have a foreskin I can't really miss it much.

I've heard that being circumcised removes some sensation, but if I had any more it'd be scary.

I think that religous reasons among non-Jews is not a factor in most cases. It's almost a "well, that's what's done" kind of thing.
When my wife was pregnant the subject came up and while I wasn't really sure and was kind of leaning towards the "I really don't want to hack off part of my sons weenie" she was adamant that it would be done. It turned out not to matter though because we had a daughter.

Also, because a circumcised penis is such the norm in America, many women I've spoken to about it think that an uncut penis is kind of disgusting. It's a strange cultural phenomenon if there ever was one.

At this point I think the practice is stupid and cruel. I've seen infant boys recovering from the removal and none have seemed too enthralled by it. If we weren't supposed to have a foreskin we wouldn't have been born with one. Please save the comments about our appendix (sp?).

08-11-2003, 12:12 PM

I was circumcised at some point after birth. I don't remember the exact date.

rfwu · 08-11-2003, 07:31 PM

wow, how different is it for those who were circumcised at a point other than birth?

BioBeing · 08-11-2003, 08:01 PM

I am uncut, and I fought to have my son (now 4) remain that way also. However, at age 2.5 he had to go for surgery due to recurrent infections and the fact that the foreskin had not separated properly. It was a very harrowing time for him

The American Medical Association I think it was came out with a report just before he was born that said that there was no medical benefit. I understand the insurance companies are starting to not pay for the procedure now, and so think that the number of American males unneccessarily circumcized will start to decline.

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08-11-2003, 05:55 AM	#11
ieyeasu Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 844	My wizard's staff has a knob on the end. Uncut. I try to spread word of the evils of circumcision, but most people won't have it.

08-11-2003, 06:30 AM	#12
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	The story I have always heard (not sure if any truth to it or not) was that infant male circumsizion became almost universal in the US during WW2. --------------------- All I know for sure was that the kids growing up in US schools in the 50's and 60's were virtually ALL circumsized. Reason supposedly was that most doctors were Jewish and the idea was that the Nasties (or any future anti-semitics) would not be able to tell who was Jewish and who wasn't by a simple pulling down of the pants.

08-11-2003, 08:28 AM	#13
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	Not many people has chosen option 3. I wonder... if noone was involuntary circumsized as a child, how many of those would chose to perform the operation as adults? Personally, I have always seen circumsition as a way for religion of claiming ownership over a person. Why not tatoo or burn "republican" in the back of our children also? :banghead:

08-11-2003, 09:00 AM	#14
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	As stated before, after WW2 circumcision did not denote any religion at all in the US. All it meant was a male American. And that was true for at least 20 years. I think that uncircumsized males are making a comeback in the US today. (As far as I can tell going to the gym these days). Just as well. There really is no medical reason for it. And I doubt the Nasties are going to make any kind of return to try and determine who is Jewish and who is not. One of the oddest things in history was Michaelangelo's depiction of an uncircumsized David in his famous statue. What was he thinking?

08-11-2003, 09:38 AM	#15
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Of course, it should be pointed out that the complete circumcision we are used to today is are more extreme than Old Testament circumcision, which only removed part of the foreskin. Anyway, I am glad to say that in Canada these days infant circumcision is virtually extinct, and has been for quite a while.

08-11-2003, 12:03 PM	#17
HaysooChreesto! Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SoCal USA Posts: 7,737	Like the majority of American males, I had my foreskin removed at birth. Since I don't know what it's like to have a foreskin I can't really miss it much. I've heard that being circumcised removes some sensation, but if I had any more it'd be scary. I think that religous reasons among non-Jews is not a factor in most cases. It's almost a "well, that's what's done" kind of thing. When my wife was pregnant the subject came up and while I wasn't really sure and was kind of leaning towards the "I really don't want to hack off part of my sons weenie" she was adamant that it would be done. It turned out not to matter though because we had a daughter. Also, because a circumcised penis is such the norm in America, many women I've spoken to about it think that an uncut penis is kind of disgusting. It's a strange cultural phenomenon if there ever was one. At this point I think the practice is stupid and cruel. I've seen infant boys recovering from the removal and none have seemed too enthralled by it. If we weren't supposed to have a foreskin we wouldn't have been born with one. Please save the comments about our appendix (sp?).

08-11-2003, 12:12 PM	#18
HeatherD Guest Posts: n/a	I was circumcised at some point after birth. I don't remember the exact date.

08-11-2003, 07:31 PM	#19
rfwu Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,336	wow, how different is it for those who were circumcised at a point other than birth?

08-11-2003, 08:01 PM	#20
BioBeing Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 6,004	I am uncut, and I fought to have my son (now 4) remain that way also. However, at age 2.5 he had to go for surgery due to recurrent infections and the fact that the foreskin had not separated properly. It was a very harrowing time for him The American Medical Association I think it was came out with a report just before he was born that said that there was no medical benefit. I understand the insurance companies are starting to not pay for the procedure now, and so think that the number of American males unneccessarily circumcized will start to decline.

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