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Old 01-08-2002, 08:56 PM   #41
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As to the solipsist's sensations changing "in a very systematic manner", he will point out that the naturalist must simply accept that the physical world behaves in a systematic manner. The solipsist will not feel a need to explain this anymore than a naturalist will feel a need to explain the order of the physical world. They will both just accept that they behave orderly. Why does the natural world behave orderly? Why does it follow natural laws? It just does. The solipsist will give a similar answer.
Certainly how the universe produces order is of interest to the naturalist, even if we assume the universe's regularity. Theories like biological evolution have been developed for this very reason.

As to the question of WHY the universe can be described according to laws, I for one would not respond "just because." I would say, "I think we need to find a better question."

The solipsist position is not nearly as strong as the naturalistic one. Simply because we cannot establish the correspondence of our perception to our ontology with absolute certaintly, the solipsist assumes that nothing is at all like it seems. It is a reactionary and self-defeating position.

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I have already pointed out that Occam's razor applies in the context of scientific theories. I deny that it will allow us to adjudicate between metaphysical theories.
Occam's razor is an essential component of our epistemic methodology, it certainly applies to our belief in objects, in a material world. Yes, solipsism involves fewer entities. However, since it is an approach that results from and yields only confusion, that fact alone isn't grounds for accepting it as more parsimonious.

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The solipsist simply does not believe the entities that play a role in scientific theories actually refer to objects that exist. The solipsist can accept scientific progress in that sense.
The solipsist can therefore accepts scientific theories as corresponding, being isomorphic, to some internal state of affairs. The solipsist simply makes the additional assumption that the appearence of independant reality is a complex and systematically deceptive illusion. The solipsist is in a position very similar to that of the conspiracy theorist. Both can be defended ad hoc ad nausiem, but neither ultimately have anything to offer in the way of understanding.

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The solipsist acquires his worldview by noting that he exists and that he is not aware of any reason to posit the existence of anything else.
Yet solipsists eat and sleep and have relationships. Human beings are truly brilliant bringing idiocy to new levels. I suspect we could compete with even the most advanced extra terrestrial race in that respect.

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Old 01-09-2002, 01:23 PM   #42
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I would argue that 2a is not really correct on the basis that though it is a created entity the analogy with the observed creation events is not sufficiently similar.
This would seem to suggest another atheological argument.

1. Created entities have features A, B, C, and D
2. The universe does not have A, B, C, and D
(Because it "is not sufficiently similar" to
created entities)
3. Therefore it is unlikely that the universe
was created.

With regard to panentheism, you said:

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I was thinking of Panentheism and Process Theology. I do not even pretend to understand half of what they go on about: But from the little I do, it seems to me that they posit a personal/material dualism down to the fundamentals of God. (I may be wrong)
Here is a quote from William Hasker's Metaphysics:

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Panentheism agrees with pantheism that everything which exists is part of God, yet it does not simply identify God with the totality of things. All things are part of God, yet he has a unity and identity of his own which is not simply that of his finite parts. God is not identical with the cosmos, but neither is he separated from it. Rather, he lives his own life in and through it: The world is God's body. And we ourselves are parts of God. (p. 111)
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To say that the world is God's body implies that God needs the world to live his life just as we need our bodies. And this means that God can never have existed without a world: Our present universe may, possibly, have a beginning and an end, but if so there must be an infinite series of universes through-out infinite past and future time. And this would seem to undermine fatally the doctrine of God's self-sufficiency, his independence from the world he has created, which is so important for traditional theism.
Further, the kind of "dualism" espoused by some panentheists is called "panexperientialism". If I understand them correctly, it is simply a form of "panpsychism". The latter basically claims that everything that exists has both mental and physical properties (or some similar claim). I am not sure whether panentheism requires any sort of panpsychist view however.
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