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pug846 · 04-08-2002, 05:05 PM

How can any Christian honestly trot out these types of arguments?! I'll take someone like Darwin over most of the Church leaders throughout history any day. Martin Luther?! Thomas Aquinas?! These are the types of scum bags that most Christians today revere, yet they have the audacity to attack Darwin...*sigh*

tgamble · 04-08-2002, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by pug846:
How can any Christian honestly trot out these types of arguments?! I'll take someone like Darwin over most of the Church leaders throughout history any day. Martin Luther?! Thomas Aquinas?! These are the types of scum bags that most Christians today revere, yet they have the audacity to attack Darwin...*sigh*

Martin Luthor didn't come up with an evil sataic lie to attack to word of god blah blah blah.

That's the worse crime of em all.

Methos · 04-08-2002, 06:45 PM

This doesn't relate to Darwin and racism, but this quote from the original website given jumped out at me:

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If you wouldn't mind, I would like some specifics on how exactly evolution has been witnessed.

Okay, I'd like to know how creationism has been witnessed. Although, I guess that because nobody saw a primate evolve into man, and nobody has found "the missing link," therefore it must be false and Genesis must be the only logical conclusion. Silly me.

Eric

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Eric Yauger ]

Kevin · 04-08-2002, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Bane:
This post is a beauty by this creationist on the theforce.net. He claims Darwin was a racist?

Anyway, here is the post:

[Text of post deleted. The link is more than enough. -- phlebas]

<a href="http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=6013822&page=6" target="_blank">Theforce.net</a>

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: phlebas ]

I can't believe the guy is claiming to have gotten an A for this pack of lies, and then claiming that he got all his information from "pro-evolution" websites. (Yeah, Answers in Genesis and the Pathlights Creation-Evolution site is certainly pro-evolution. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> )

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Kevin ]

Bane · 04-08-2002, 07:44 PM

Ah, Radical_fringe aka Kevin. That one post you made in the thread was a beauty. They didn't even know what hit them.

You can see what I mean though about circular bs. You refute one and another comes along a few days later with the same "arguments"(heh) without even reading the previous pages.

How can he get an A for that when he just copied from creationist sites? Must have had a creationist teacher?

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Bane ]

Kevin · 04-09-2002, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by Bane:
Ah, Radical_fringe aka Kevin. That one post you made in the thread was a beauty. They didn't even know what hit them.

They're going to get another one just like it.

Although I don't have very much time to devote to either this board or that one, I'm planning on posting a full point-by-point refutation of his post. I don't think anything else will make a dent.

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You can see what I mean though about circular bs. You refute one and another comes along a few days later with the same "arguments"(heh) without even reading the previous pages.

I agree. I know I refuted a strawman version of the Big Bang and that Behemoth proof text in my own big post.

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How can he get an A for that when he just copied from creationist sites? Must have had a creationist teacher?

I can only assume that his teacher is both unknowledgable about the content, and lazy about checking up on her students' references. I know I would have been flunked, perhaps for the entire semester, if I had just plagiarised papers from anywhere, let alone the net.

Pandora · 04-09-2002, 03:19 AM

Probably one of the better places to look for evidence of this would be the work of Darwin's cousin Sir Francis Galton.

Jubal · 04-09-2002, 03:49 AM

Darwin was a scientist, anything beyond that is trivia.

Oolon Colluphid · 04-09-2002, 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by Swan-eater:
Darwin was a scientist, anything beyond that is trivia.

Quite frankly I don't care if he ate two lightly boiled babies for breakfast each day. His theory is one of the most profound in all science, and goes a very long way towards explaining the fact of evolution. End. Of. Story.

Oolon

Ragnarok · 04-09-2002, 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by Utnapishtim:
Some of what Darwin says in The Descent of Man would definitely be taken as racist if someone said it today. Darwin was a product of his time, an englishman who thought whites were superior. At one point he warns that the "Noble Scotsman" is being outbred by the "Careless and Squalid Irishman". At other points he implies that Austrailian Aboriginies are sub-human. Darwin was not a perfect human being by any means, but we also should be careful not to judge him too much by modern day standards. If he were alive today and said the same thing however, we might be justified in slugging him

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Utnapishtim ]

And if we're going for the ad hominem approach it might be instructive to quote some prominent 19th century churchmen on the race issue. As products of their time they would certainly have been at least as "racist" as Chuck D. and would not have had his scientific insights to mitigate their beliefs.

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Bane Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 180	Ah, Radical_fringe aka Kevin. That one post you made in the thread was a beauty. They didn't even know what hit them. You can see what I mean though about circular bs. You refute one and another comes along a few days later with the same "arguments"(heh) without even reading the previous pages. How can he get an A for that when he just copied from creationist sites? Must have had a creationist teacher? [ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Bane ]</p>

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pug846 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,587	How can any Christian honestly trot out these types of arguments?! I'll take someone like Darwin over most of the Church leaders throughout history any day. Martin Luther?! Thomas Aquinas?! These are the types of scum bags that most Christians today revere, yet they have the audacity to attack Darwin...sigh

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Pandora Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: UK Posts: 367	Probably one of the better places to look for evidence of this would be the work of Darwin's cousin Sir Francis Galton.

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