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Old 11-01-2002, 08:31 PM   #21
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(2)I simply can't consider sex as something that's just 'fun'. Roller-Coasters are 'fun', our sexuality, just as any other aspect of our emotional selves, can have dramatic psychological ramification. My sexuality, just as any other aspect of my emotional self, is far to valuable to me to be solicited as a 'product'.

Could you ever accept money to console a grieving mother who just lost her child?
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(1)As someone who holds morality as subjective, I can't condemn someone else's values as wrong, only contrary to mine.
because (2) was really partly and answer to Glorys question:
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If it isn't immoral, then what is the problem? What is wrong with such behavior.
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BTW; counselors, shrinks, midwifes, and obstetricians do accept money to console a grieving mother for just this sort of thing.
Shrinks and counselors generally choose there professions because they have a desire to help the people they treat(or at lease they should). My question should have been: Would you accept money to console a grieving mother who lost a child, not out of any desire to actually console, but just for profit?

This is how I essentially view prostitution. Prostitutes aren't out to help anyone. They're basically selling apart of themselves. For what? Some money? A car maybe?

What is the difference between selling your sexuality and selling your compassion, or curiosity, or any other part of yourself?

Anyway. This is just how I 'feel'. And if someone else doesn't feel the same way, I don't really have any grounds to criticize them.

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In many Australian states, such as Queensland, prostitution and even fully-fledged brothels are legal... and they have them in the capital cities. (Unlike in Nevada where they're not allowed to have it in Las Vegas)
It gave me an opportunity to get laid with a girl... though I still haven't kissed a girl yet (who isn't a friend or relative) or been on a date. I guess if it wasn't legal I would have tried to get laid in a "normal" way - e.g. looking for drunk girls or getting a girlfriend or whatever people do - I'm not sure whether I did the right thing or not. The availability of brothels (note I've only been once) has meant that I'm not really worried about getting a girlfriend... I guess it makes me kind of screwed up but it suits my instant-gratification lifestyle.
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George Carlin.
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Shrinks and counselors generally choose there professions because they have a desire to help the people they treat(or at lease they should). My question should have been: Would you accept money to console a grieving mother who lost a child, not out of any desire to actually console, but just for profit?

This is how I essentially view prostitution. Prostitutes aren't out to help anyone. They're basically selling apart of themselves. For what? Some money? A car maybe?

What is the difference between selling your sexuality and selling your compassion, or curiosity, or any other part of yourself?

Anyway. This is just how I 'feel'. And if someone else doesn't feel the same way, I don't really have any grounds to criticize them.

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In most jobs we sell our intellect, our time with family, and other talents...and I would argue that prostitutes do help people. Not all people who wish to have sex can just snap their fingers and have the free stuff. There are many lonely people who just want to be treated as special for an hour or two. If you read books by prostitutes, you'll find much of their job is just talking or companionship (not street hookers...that is a different ball of wax). I am talking the legal brothels here in Nevada, the "outcall" girls, and higher class call girls like Xaviera.


Plus, many prostitutes enjoy sex and their jobs...Xaviera is again a good example.

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I've been thinking about this issue for awhile. I have never used the services of a prostitute, but I always wondered what it would have been like if I had needed to. Not to sound egotistic, but I'm fairly decent looking, so I've never had trouble finding someone to be with. Currently, I'm in a serious relationship, so I have no need to try one.

But I wonder, what if I had been just dog ugly? Or had severe emotional problems that kept me from being able to form any attachment with any girl, and I was forced to utilize a prostitute? Would this change my perception of them any?

I see nothing wrong with prostitution. I have a friend who is in the business, and I find it no different then having a friend who changes oil for a living. To be honest, I would see nothing wrong if my sister decided to go into it, so long as she kept herself safe.

But here is my question: I have noticed an odd phenomena amongst my friends clients. After visiting her for awhile, they take on an attitude that I find not only rude, but a bit disturbing. Its hard to put my finger on it, but I would describe it as something akin to condescention. As if, after having utilized my friend's services for awhile, they suddenly lose the need to treat her like a human being.

Now, don't get me wrong. Not all of them do this, and I certainly don't know them well enough to say if they were like this before, or if they have grown into this attitude. I'm not even sure I'm not imagining it. But I don't think so. I've mentioned this to my friend, and she agreed that some of her clients have become what she described as "cocky". So I wonder, is this a common problem in the industry, or does my friend just attract shitty clientel? Anyone have any thoughts?
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<strong>...But here is my question: I have noticed an odd phenomena amongst my friends clients. After visiting her for awhile, they take on an attitude that I find not only rude, but a bit disturbing. Its hard to put my finger on it, but I would describe it as something akin to condescention. As if, after having utilized my friend's services for awhile, they suddenly lose the need to treat her like a human being...</strong>
Maybe a similar thing happens with hired servants... The clients pay the workers so that they can relax and indulge themselves. Maybe they're trying to get as much out of the worker as possible with a minimum of effort....
Or maybe they enjoy treating the workers as being less than human... to experience the thrill of being superior.

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That may be due to power fetishes and such. Like after a few times, they feel like they can be themselves and express what they really want, S&M, or such. I wouldn't be surprised if a prostitute attracted many clients who had domination fetishes.
 
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