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Rusting Car Bumper · 08-12-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
When the President gets on TV and says that Atheists can't be real Americans�yes

When did that occur?

DC

Biff the unclean · 08-12-2003, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by DigitalChicken
When did that occur?

DC

Bush the elder

Biff the unclean · 08-12-2003, 10:21 AM

The thing I found interesting about the Boy Scouts was that they didn't care what god you believed in. It didn't have to be Judeo/Christian, some Hindu deity with four arms and the head of a pachyderm or the emperor of Japan it was just hunkey dory with them. Just so long as it was a god.

Hopeful Monsters · 08-12-2003, 10:27 AM

I would never have guessed the Scouts were that broadly 'accepting', but it still doesn't forgive their act.

Your pupil must at that moment have felt as much an outsider as many have felt suffering prejudice for their skin colour, ethnic and/or cultural background.

Shadowy Man · 08-12-2003, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
Bush the elder

Did he actually say that on television? The best I've been able to track down for that statement is that a reporter said that the Bush Senior said it to him.

sophie · 08-12-2003, 10:36 AM

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emotional : (for those who have wondered about the change: I'm now a recovering atheist)

welcome to your new life.

I feel like an outsider all the time. I don't cotton to religion and bible thumpers, and I don't particularily appreciate atheists. At religious gatherings (where I go to seek information) I feel left out, like an alien. Amoung the atheists I enjoy a certain amount of the not-1-of-us syndrome.

I cannot seem to find any rational people out there or even in here. The only company I seem to be stuck on are the real philosophers.

I think real philosophers are cool people. I love both men and women philosophers.

What about me? you wanna pick on me too?

Hopeful Monsters · 08-12-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by sophie

What about me? you wanna pick on me too?

What are you getting at? (not clear here).

sophie · 08-12-2003, 10:52 AM

TruthIsTold :

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What are you getting at? (not clear here).

Your fun for today. I don't belong to either group that hangs out here.

Heathen Dawn · 08-12-2003, 10:53 AM

Though I'm surrounded by monotheists where I live, I don't feel like an outsider, because secular (atheistic) Jews clump together to form a cohesive group. I have a whole network of family members and friends and acquaintances who are atheists. Atheists and the various religious groups in the Holyland form cohesive groups that hardly ever have contact with one another. The state itself is secular (for the time being

).

Roland98 · 08-12-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Shadowy Man
Did he actually say that on television? The best I've been able to track down for that statement is that a reporter said that the Bush Senior said it to him.

I don't know if it was on TV. I'd assume it was recorded (?) Here's the exchange:

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Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?
Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in god is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

When pressed to retract, Bush's counsel wrote this:

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"As you are aware[sic], the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government."

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08-12-2003, 10:21 AM	#23
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	The thing I found interesting about the Boy Scouts was that they didn't care what god you believed in. It didn't have to be Judeo/Christian, some Hindu deity with four arms and the head of a pachyderm or the emperor of Japan it was just hunkey dory with them. Just so long as it was a god.

08-12-2003, 10:27 AM	#24
Hopeful Monsters Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: God is a Mind Loop Posts: 1,344	I would never have guessed the Scouts were that broadly 'accepting', but it still doesn't forgive their act. Your pupil must at that moment have felt as much an outsider as many have felt suffering prejudice for their skin colour, ethnic and/or cultural background.

08-12-2003, 10:53 AM	#29
Heathen Dawn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,656	Though I'm surrounded by monotheists where I live, I don't feel like an outsider, because secular (atheistic) Jews clump together to form a cohesive group. I have a whole network of family members and friends and acquaintances who are atheists. Atheists and the various religious groups in the Holyland form cohesive groups that hardly ever have contact with one another. The state itself is secular (for the time being ).

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