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a couple years on Church Council. And all I ever got was a little voice in my head saying "Wait, this doesn't add up"...oh yeah, that was probably Satan, huh? On the "it's your fault thing". Absolutely, my best friends wife, a rabid pro-life hold-your- kids-up-in-the-faces-of-those-entering-the- clinic demonstrator type told us that the reason my wife and I were having trouble getting pregnant was because God was punishing us for not taking a big stand on abortion (read that as not doing exactly what she was doing). Of course, the real problem was leftover from my wifes annorexia in H.S., and a trip to the vitamin college was all that was needed to overcome Gods judgement.... (he he. "Here honey, you need some more vitamin "S".... couldn't resist). |
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"If she had any balls, she might have said that evil is evil and that God has his bad days, too."
If she had any balls, she would be most unusual! |
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*sigh* <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> love Helen |
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She completely missed the point which HelenSL got, i.e that the Book of Job was written as a corrective to the common notion that suffering is the result of personal spiritual defect. The story's point in part is that gods are capricious and likely to sell out even the most righteous of men on a bet, and onlookers shouldn't assume a cause and effect relationship between sin and ill fortune. It wasn't that god had a plan, just that he was trying to prove a point to the accuser, and we see though it involved killing the family and destroying the property of one of his finest devotees, this didn't make god blink even once. Neat god. I see why Christians love him the way a battered child loves their abuser.
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Ironically enough a capricious and sometimes wicked God would actually be believable.
I can't help but think that any interptretation of Job is a massive contradiction within Christian logic. A purely good God who torments his followers through no fault of their own. <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> |
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Actually, I thought Job's wife was killed along with all of Job's children, but he got new ones at the end so that made it all better (another instance of women as property).
I could be wrong of course, it has been a long time since I read that. -Scott |
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“Does God pervert justice? Or does the Almighty pervert righteousness?” Job 8:3
YES!!! “Is it good to you that you should oppress, That you should despise the work of your hands, And smile on the counsel of the wicked?” Job 10:3 Job finally understands the personality of his God. My roommate likes south park so I occasionally see an episode. In one a character, can’t remember the name, loses his faith in god because life seems unfair (he has a hemorrhoid). A really funny scene is were his parents try to restore his faith in god by telling him the story of Job. |
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You're right that at the end all Job's original fortunes plus more are restored - now he has twice as many kids as he used to have <a href="http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=Job+42%3A10-17&version=NIV-IBS&showfn=yes&showxref=yes&language=english" target="_blank">(Job 42:10-17)</a>. Clearly the implication is that therefore all's well that ends well and it doesn't matter what he lost since he got it (and more) back again. I think it's hard to imagine anyone losing ten children and thinking 'oh it's fine as long as I have at least ten more' but to focus on that would be to miss the points being made in the story, in which the kids Job had later are considered appropriate recompense/replacement, evidently. love Helen |
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