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Old 06-11-2003, 09:20 AM   #51
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Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists, but they can be expected to be disproportionally sympathetic to Islamic terrorists.
Of course! And although not all germans are nazis, they can be expected to be disproportionally sympathetic to Nazi Terrorists!

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If you let someone into your house, and he opens your refrigerator and helps himself without asking, and you don't protest, you have essentially given him leave to make himself at home. You can hardly be surprised, then, if you eventually find him making himself at home with your daughter, if you get my drift.
I don't even get what you are implying here. Will immigrant Muslims seduce our daughters? Will Homosexuals raid our refrigerators? Will gender confused viri infiltrate our population base and become hostile to children? Who knows!?! Not me!!! Woo hoo!!!
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It's funny, an awful lot of people who are so vehemently against gay marriage seem to have the oddball notion that if gay people are allowed to marry people of the same gender, then everyone will do it! Men will mostly marry men, women will mostly marry women, hardly anyone will have children and civilization will crumble!

I'm going to go out on a limb here… I'm pretty sure that the straight people will still be attracted to and marry people of the opposite sex. A wild notion, I know...

Since the gay population tends to be a fairly small percentage of the total population (10%?), I somehow doubt that being legally able to do what they've been doing anyway (living together, raising kids, etc.) will have much impact on the population levels.

If a law allowing gay marriage passed in this country tomorrow, I rather doubt that droves of straight people would run out and marry folks of the same sex just because they can. I can't help wondering about people that seem to think so…
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Are you suggesting here that gays are "bent on infiltrating a country as a virus does an organism"?
In the case of Holland, I'm suggesting that Islamic terrorists are. In America, evangelical "gays" have already gained an amount of influence in the media disproportionate to their percentage of the general populace.

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1) You assert that "gender confusion", which you previously defined as "men acting like women and vice versa", is the result of "selfishness". (You never answered Hedwig's request for clarification, but I'll just assume here that you meant this only in a sexual/relationship context. You can correct me if I'm wrong.) Why do you think that engaging in homosexual relationships is any more "selfish" than engaging in heterosexual relationships?
I submit that any relationship outside of traditional marriage is selfish at root, because it amounts to using another person strictly for self-gratification. The reason people don't vow to stick by each other "for better or worse" is that they want the option to bug out when things get ugly, as they almost inevitably do even in good marriages.

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2) How does it "produce an environment which is increasingly hostile to children" to have people involved in gay relationships?
For about the hundredth time, it's not "gay" relationships per se, but any sexual relationship based on mutual use that is the problem. Any offspring of such a union can hardly hold the parents in high esteem. Acceptance of homosexuality is only a symptom of a more fundamental flaw in the culture.

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And how does this lead to a population decline?
Children do not cater to the selfishness of adults. When you have kids, you can't do what you want when you want to; and kids being necessarily selfish themselves, they demand attention which selfish people give grudgingly if at all. Far easier for such people to remain childless.
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I don't even get what you are implying here.
Do you want to? Of course not.
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Old 06-11-2003, 11:20 AM   #55
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Yeah, that prosperity, peace, and low rate of violent crime are really killing Holland.
Perhaps the influx of Muslim immigrants will solve the population problem in Holland, and then it will no doubt be a European paradise, sharia law notwithstanding.
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A touchy subject it appears....Hmm. Something definately struck a nerve, because the response was way out of proportion to the statement from Dr. Rick.

Protesting too loudly speaks as much as protesting not at all.
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Bad try, dude.
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Can't speak for everybody, but at least some of us on this side of the issue are looking at the long term possiblities for erosion of moral infrastraucture.
Good bridge, bad road, evil sewers? WTF is "moral infrastucture"?

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No way in the world will a nation survive if gender confusion becomes the norm...
You assume everyone will become as confused as you are. But this is just projection.
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But you are the only one expressing concern about people becoming confused. Everyone else is fine with it, and no one else seems to be confused.

What would a thoughtful person suppose might be the explanation for this curious circumstance? That yguy is not confused and afraid, and everyone else is? I think not.
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I've edited your post of earlier today, as well as the various quotes of it.

Stop being a jerk (or at least stop displaying "jerk" behavior).

Reread the MF&P forum rules, since it seems that you've forgotten them since you read them a few days ago.

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For about the hundredth time, it's not "gay" relationships per se, but any sexual relationship based on mutual use that is the problem.
Would you complain if we investigated whether or not your sexual relations are based on mutual use (whatever that is)? If you would, why would you expect anyone else not to object to the same inquisition? Since when is the nature of anyone else's sexual relations your business?
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