Kevin Dorner

Maybe if the explosions occurred over three billion years in a quintillion junkyards, once every twenty minutes for the first two billion years, and only the ones that made a little better of a 747 were kept, it would be a more fitting analogy. You should really consider some new material... that one's really tired.

Jubal

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No! You're wrong! He used magic, and if you don't agree with me you're going to Hell and you'll be sorry! That you say you don't care just goes to show how short-sighted and stupid you are. If I had it my way you'd be thrown in Hell NOW, you heartless pig! We'd think the least you can do is keep your crackpot science away from our children, but you go and do just the opposite! It's sad that Satan is persuing young people who haven't even had a chance to find G-d. I can see why he chose degenerates such as you for his followers. How your hearts can be so full of hate is incomprehensible to me, you ANIMALS!
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Depressingly, this sort of thinking is much more common than more level-headed theists might wish to believe. I don't hate religion, I just can't tolerate crackpots, theist or otherwise. Nothing personal, but you have some of the LOUDEST crackpots known to mankind, and I suggest you shut them up before they embarrass you any further.

That's just my advice, though.

Peter Soderqvist

TO BYNATURE

Soderqvist1: that god made the universe in 6 days is only in your daydreams. Because energy = mass according to science of physics, and it cannot be created, nor destroyed, it can only be transformed into other energy forms, according to the first law of thermodynamics, more known as the law of conservation of energy.

THERMODYNAMICS: WHO WROTE THE LAWS?
<a href="http://web.fccj.org/~ethall/thermo/thermo.htm" target="_blank">http://web.fccj.org/~ethall/thermo/thermo.htm</a>

Soderqvist1: this statement clearly indicates that you have no education in science of biology, and for the same reason, you have not substantiated your message. However, let's see if you can post some bearings? Try this one; the evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics, and you will see that, how fast I will bring you down!

Soderqvist1: This metaphor was coined by the famous astronomer Fred Hoyle, and he is, or was an evolutionist according to Christian Answers Net!
<a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/hoyle-f.html" target="_blank">http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/hoyle-f.html</a>

But Fred Hoyle was not so good regarding science of biology according to Richard Dawkins, and I can understand that, because Fred Hoyle was only a layman evolutionist. Anyway evolution cannot increase biological complexity with only pure chance alone. Because evolution needs cumulative selection, in order to increase apparent complex design. I am pretty sure that, Bynature cannot define the difference between single step selection, and cumulative selection either? The definition can be found in the link to Richard Dawkins here
<a href="http://www.world-of-dawkins.com/Dawkins/Work/Articles/alabama/alabama.htm" target="_blank">http://www.world-of-dawkins.com/Dawkins/Work/Articles/alabama/alabama.htm</a>

BTW, if a famous astronomer like Fred Hoyle has misunderstood something in the evolution, don't you think that the creationists, has a lot of misunderstandings too?

I will be back at Monday

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Jack the Bodiless

Creationism IS wrong. But you don't have to be an "evolutionist" to see that. The abundant evidence for the great age of the Earth, and the common descent of all living organisms from shared ancestors, is valid regardless of the acceptance of Darwinian evolution as the mechanism of that common descent.
The evidence of common descent is in the fossil record, cladistics, and DNA. The evidence of evolution is in observations of random mutations and natural selection at work in the natural world. The logical inference is that the observed fact of evolution accounts for the observed fact of common descent.
God has said nothing. Don't confuse "what a tribe of Bronze Age goat-herders has said" with "what God has said".

Oolon Colluphid

Oh, have your creator if you like. In which case I’d be delighted to show you lots of examples of his handiwork. They demonstrate that he is an incompetent designer and a sadist. I will happily elaborate (with the emphasis on ‘bore’ for regulars ).

Can’t say as how I disagree with you. Consider it thrown. However, let me broaden your vocabulary: <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=allegory" target="_blank">allegory</a>. Understand that the writers of Genesis might have been writing in terms of that word, and your can have your precious book back.

But how about getting from Homo ergaster to Homo erectus? And from Homo habilis to Homo ergaster? And so on. Evolution’s about countless little steps, not one big one.

Yup. However, we have rather a lot of evidence that evolution is right. Feel free to offer the tiniest scrap that Gen 1&2 are right.

I don’t believe you have the merest understanding of evolution or science. Till you provide evidence to the contrary, your argument is effluent.

Really? You’ll be able to offer some then. Oh, and see my offer above.

“It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.” Thus my belief is confirmed. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

I’m all in favour of having science in religion class. Both make empirical claims about the world. It would be good to have them properly compared.

I thought you said the evidence of deity was everywhere? If so, why not in a test-tube?

Wrong. See <a href="http://www.msualum.org/magazine/archive/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=339" target="_blank">Replaying Life’s Tape</a>. You could do evolution yourself, with a few flasks of Staphylococcus aureus and some methicillin. This experiment has been performed many times in test-tubes called human bodies, and many strains of Staph a is now pretty well immune to methicillin. You do know that evolution is a change in allele frequency in a population over time, right? You do know what an allele is, yeah??

Answer to whom? Demonstrate there is a god, and I’ll consider whether he’s worth answering to.

If you can’t wash it, why do you need to spin it? Dry clean only.
I agree. Theistic evolution is just smuggling an entity multiplied beyond necessity in through the back door.

Deprived of an education, more like.

Oolon

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Automaton

Is he trying to sell it to us now? I'm unwilling to purchase since the price is self-delusion.
I have no difficulty seeing the handiwork of Moktrolororkelurar the Mildly Entertaining everywhere. What are you talking about?
Careful where you throw it from. If it hits someone on the head, you're liable to get a hefty lawsuit.
Who cares? If you want to blindly place your total trust in the heavily plagiarized creation myth of an ancient nomadic desert tribe, be my guest. But please don't expect others to swallow your insane fairy tales.
I say God made the world a month ago. How is this Genesis crap any more valid or authentic than my story?
Yes, accurate representations of reality destroyed those stories long ago. Why do you still cling to them?
Yes, but which one is a lot more likely to be right?
Evolution is no more the "religion" of science than chemistry is. Religion requires the organized belief and worship of supernatural forces. We don't bow to the covalent bond, nor put money in Richard Dawkins' collection plate. Obviously you have no idea what science is, but you still desperately try to lower it to the level of your delusions. All you need is a good dose of wake the fuck up.
If you think science is so flawed that it requires this pathetic concept you cultists call "faith", please feel free to throw out your computer, and go live in a cave.
Really? God must have been on a bad acid trip at the time then.
Yes, and we're all waiting anxiously for the next "vertibrate transitional fossil" space-amoeba or "peptide analysis phylogenetic tree" transgalactic-spore to find its way to Earth and help us devilutionary scientists out at conquering the Wise and Rational creationists.
"And now children, moving on from the Gospel, we talk about the Religion of Atomic Theory and General Relativity, which is just something those crackhead long haired atheists made up to confuse us wholesome Christians."
There goes my thesis proposal.
I'm sure Barry G. Hall will be very interested to hear your groundbreaking critique of his work.
By "most" I certainly hope you meant the slim minority.
Thing is, we don't have to answer to the tooth fairy either. What you cultists call "answering to God" is merely a subconscious excuse to have no morality. They feel if they have this personal "forgiving" relationship with their God, that they can commit whatever attrocities they want. This is why there are so many Christian child abusers, rapists and murderers, and so few atheist ones.
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