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adler5 · 02-05-2003, 01:39 PM

No Paul, apparently the population of the earth and the fisherman included, during that time period were to occupied { { i GUESS THEY WERE DOING BAD THINGS AGAINST THEIR GOD AGAIN} to notice that it was raining A LOT.

ADLER5

Lunawalk · 12-30-2003, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Amergin
Good points in your post.

The fact is that certain animals are found only in certain isolated locations. For example, Kangaroos have never been found outside of Australia and New Guinea. Certain species of fresh water fish have been found nowhere outside of the Amazon Basin. Lemurs are only on the Island of Madascar in the last 20 million years. Emus, Koalas, Marsupial wolves, wombats, and marsupial lions are found only in Australia. Many other animals while on the Eurasian mainland are found only at great distances from Palestine, Mt. Ararat, and Mesopotamia. These include: polar bears, tapirs, aardvarks, Meercats, Irish Elk, Reindeer/Caribou, Moose, the Ice loving Macaques of Northern Japan. There are a few thousand other animals found far from Mesopotamia.

These represent animals never found in Mesopotamia/Ararat. How did Noah and his sons gather all of these animals from the far reaches of the left and right hemispheres and polar areas? How did they fit in the approximately 3.8 million species into the Ark if it was the wee little boat described in Genesis? How could they store enough food for the entire long journey aboard the tiny boat? When it landed on Mt. Ararat how did they return all of these animals back to their places of origin?

How did they transport some 3000 species of delicate fresh water tropical fish back to the Amazon Basin across thousands of miles of salt sea? How did they transport the Koalas, Wallabies, Kangaroos, Wombats, Marsupial wolves, Emus, and Marsupial lions back to the island continent of Australia? How did they get South American Tapirs back to South America along with Jaguars, sloths, prehensile tailed New World Monkeys, Armadillos, Alpacas, Llamas, as well as a million species of South American insects? (A fourth of all species live in the Amazon Basin.) How did they get the 9 types of Lemur back to Madagascar?

The amount of water needed to flood the Earths highest mountains would have to be enough to cover Mt. Everest at 29,000 plus feet or over 5 miles higher than present sea level. Can we even begin to imagine the immense quantity of water that would require? If Earth had been covered over 5 miles deep it would require 980 million cubic miles of water or 2.55 billion cubic kilometres of water. That water would have to be obtained and then carted away somehow. There are no empty spaces within the Earth for all of that water.

So, you see, it is a scientific, or really a physical impossibility that Noah�s Legend could be true. The size of the boat is far too small for the number of animals and their food supply. The gathering of the animals from all over the world and delivering them back to their places of origin would have taken many years and hundreds of ocean going vessels to accomplish that task. The obtaining and disposing of many hundred thousand or millions of cubic miles of water is impossible without divine magic, which I don�t accept.

If you postulate miracle, i.e. magic, you must show me proof that magic exists. You must prove that magic ever occurred in any time or place. Other than magic, the Noah�s Fable was not physically possible.

Amergin

According to today's view of science the flood story makes no sense. but the ancient Hebrews had an total diffrent or wrong view of the earth.They thought the earth was flat, and was an body of water above the air or in space above the earth and below under they earth They believed the sky was a solid dome with windows to let the rain on earth.
They did not know about the kinds of animal life from around the world. They only knew of the aninals in their area So in view of the ancient Hebrews view of the earth the flood story makes sense. Today we know that view of earth is wrong.

godmustbecrazy · 12-30-2003, 08:33 AM

i have a question.
if Noah's ark had every species in single pair(male and female) then what did the non vegetarian animals eat in the ark? they couldn't have eaten anything which would disturb the balance of male and female or would cause the extinction of some species.

nessa20x · 12-30-2003, 08:46 AM

lol maybe thats where unicorns went...into the bellies of the lions????

The flood myth is just that, unsubatntiated myth. We would certainly have polar records of such a flood and none exist. Also unless evolution happens extremely fast there is no way to explain the diversity and amount of life on earth today. Of course this would mean that flood believers would have to believe in a superevolution taking place.

If localized flooding did occur and lasted for a long time in the region, that is a different story and could have happened. However it still is not the biblical flood account and the ark thing is inconceivable.

gregor · 12-31-2003, 01:34 PM

And the kiwi has such a darned large egg because it is a shrunken (read island-sized) version of its largers relatively. As the kiwi species shrunk in size, it's egg stayed the same size.

As for a cite, I think SJGould included this in an essay, but I'm away from my library right now.

And Adler5, perhaps you can come back to this site when you're adler7 or 8.

Fr8monkey · 01-01-2004, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by gregor
And the kiwi has such a darned large egg because it is a shrunken (read island-sized) version of its largers relatively. As the kiwi species shrunk in size, it's egg stayed the same size.

If this is true, Why haven't scientists found and giant Kiwis? We must have used them in shoe polish

Dr.GH · 01-01-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by Fr8monkey
If this is true, Why haven't scientists found and giant Kiwis? We must have used them in shoe polish

Close. They got e't by the Maori. Called Moa, they were close to 4 meters tall.

rmadison · 01-03-2004, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Scotty
Since I just thought of an Ark question.
If the wood (what, some rodent wood, gopherwood?) was strong enough to hold the ark together, what would that strength be? Iron-like? (since I seem to remember that no wood is now strong enough to stay together in a ship that size).

If it was as strong as iron, doesn't that mean it would take tools stronger than iron to form into the correct pattern? Nails? Screws? 50-ton press?

goddidit.

-Scott

Ever read "Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage", by Alfred Lansing?

Great book. Awesome book. I highly recommend it.

Anyway, on page 19 we are given a little description of the specifications of the ship. Here's a little segment:

"Her keel members were four pieces of solid oak, ove above the other, adding up to a total thickness of 7 feet, 1 inch. Her sides were made from oak, and Norwegian mountain fir, and they varied in thickness from about 18 inches, to more than 2.5 feet. Outside this planking, to keep her from being chafed by the ice, there was a sheathing from stem to stern of greenheart, a wood so heavy it weighs more than solid iron and so tough that it cannot be worked by ordinary tools."

Anyway, your question/comment above made me think of this, and I thought you might appreciate the factoid.

BTW, a little info. I dug up about greenheart.

http://www.durablewoods.com/greenheart.htm

http://www.durablewoods.com/products/pilings.php

http://www.glen-l.com/wood-plywood/bb-chap5e.html

http://www.slco.com/Greenheat%20Fold...nheartpics.htm

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adler5 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: canada Posts: 18	thy were bad boys i guess No Paul, apparently the population of the earth and the fisherman included, during that time period were to occupied { { i GUESS THEY WERE DOING BAD THINGS AGAINST THEIR GOD AGAIN} to notice that it was raining A LOT. ADLER5

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godmustbecrazy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: kanpur Posts: 15	question i have a question. if Noah's ark had every species in single pair(male and female) then what did the non vegetarian animals eat in the ark? they couldn't have eaten anything which would disturb the balance of male and female or would cause the extinction of some species.

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12-30-2003, 08:46 AM	#34
nessa20x Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: colorado Posts: 597	lol maybe thats where unicorns went...into the bellies of the lions???? The flood myth is just that, unsubatntiated myth. We would certainly have polar records of such a flood and none exist. Also unless evolution happens extremely fast there is no way to explain the diversity and amount of life on earth today. Of course this would mean that flood believers would have to believe in a superevolution taking place. If localized flooding did occur and lasted for a long time in the region, that is a different story and could have happened. However it still is not the biblical flood account and the ark thing is inconceivable.

12-31-2003, 01:34 PM	#35
gregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 932	And the kiwi has such a darned large egg because it is a shrunken (read island-sized) version of its largers relatively. As the kiwi species shrunk in size, it's egg stayed the same size. As for a cite, I think SJGould included this in an essay, but I'm away from my library right now. And Adler5, perhaps you can come back to this site when you're adler7 or 8.

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