id.s

What a thought.What WWSD said is right on.Perception is just a way our brain takes an identifiable stimulus and tries to put order to it.David Hume wrote a book on human perception,you could read.Liebniz is one of our favorites.

The problem seems to be with the way our mind is wired.By the way, the answer to the riddle is The Mind and the way it is wired.Tough answer, but it seperates the thinkers from those that just give up and expect spoonfed answers. What did you accomplish(little) what did you perceive(an opinion).Now make sense of it.This is where the physical (senses)act of perception becomes an act of understanding.During that phase we begin to balance pro's and cons, cause and effect ,relevance and importance etc- all happening in milliseconds.This is the brains way of melding the known ( #1 analogiously)our stock of knowledge and experiences,with the unknown(#0 analogiously) to create a third random factor. This random factor is what seperates us from computers!Call it random factor # 1/2. It shares with 0 and 1 to reach a conclusion.This is the pattern we have engrained in our wiring and it all seems to work with clockwork precision.But ,there has to be one,what happens when nature and our modern world don't co-ordinate.The brain when it was designed or crafted or shaped may have had a different purpose originally, but now we'reThere Now you know what I meant by IT! stuck with what IT (our wiring pattern)is. There, now you know what IT is!That is the IT that you didn't perceive.What happens when the world throws aproblem at you that you don't understand.This I call random factor #-1/2,the mysterious unknown.Think of what happens when you add a negative factor to your brain.What are negative factors? Things such as a burning bush talking, a mate being unfaithful, a man deciding to become a policeman or priest because of a perceived threat to normalicy from his past. They seem to be normal decisions but are rooted in our perceptions.Right or wrong we adopt them because we can't come up with any other choice.So you can see with all these calculations going on at one time
,mistakes in judgement are very common.So we can,t blame theists for the state of the world,They are victims of a brain designed to trick you just like us.The last item is an example of how the mind operates.Take a pencil and keeping your fingers together and pointed .with eyes open and closed,between the first two fingers,rub the pencil back and forth.You should perceive one pencil.Now cross your first two fingers and rub the pencil back and forth in the crack..If all goes well then you should perceive 2 pencils,eyes open and shut.Our brain is not a computer and never will be so welcome to a world that has the known as the real and the imagined as the perceived.The brain makes mistakes in judgement but don't try to tell ME what I know and don't know.Sounds pretty christian don't it.I can keep going on but why.Because THIS is why I believe.When you have an answer, why worry about the rest.This to me is our inner blindness.

Ronin

id.s ~

You are confusing a healthy dose of peyote and card carrying gobbledy gook with:

1 Peter 3

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

and...

Amos 9:3

And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them ~ God speaking (woof, woof)

Reality, my dear id.s, is something that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.

Have a happy french fry.

id.s

The best he can come up with is to quote a book of lies--A victim of lies.

Ronin

Fortunately only one of a number of 'books of lies' I have studied and keep in my humble library...along with stuff by Watts, Zappa, Leary, Rand and Kinison among others sages du jour.

You dabble in the sublime, id.s, and your delivery is faulty.

I suggest you move past mantras and fully into the realm of grammar and punctuation.

Thanks for your athletic support.

id.s

Your problem,besides not having an open mind is all you seek is revenge on us thinkers.Read Psalm again for revenge motives ,proverbs for mysogeny and I don't have to go past genesis toshow you the shallow depths you plumb

id.s

There is a site that can help you--www.nietzsche early christian writings homosexuals-tells of the lies and how they were crafted.You can 't help people like you unless you're willing to help yourself first,

WWSD

Originally posted by Majestyk
Yeah, but we're both talking about a fruit that makes a great sauce for pizza and pasta.


Too true. You know, I hate raw tomatos. Bleah!


I wasn't really taking exception with you statements, WWSD.

Nah, I didn't figure you were. But I thought it would be fun to kick around some thoughts on the subject anyway.


Then again since, at the quantum level, there is no separation between macro objects, such as us, which, means we are simply patterns within a pool of quantum energy then, do we exist at all?

Ah yes, the universe at the quantum level. We were just talking about valence shells yesterday and how bizarre reality gets when you get to be really small. I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around Plank time and Plank distances.


I'll think that we don't and then life will smack me upside the head and then I'll think "Well that seemed real enough." and abstract thoughts on the nature of existence will take a backseat on the vehicle that carries my priorities. But I'll still have things figured out well enough.

Yeah, I often find that I have hte same experience. Abstract thoguht only goes so far when you get hit by a rock.

Majestyk

This is actually not a bad suggestion. I was concerned that I might suffer a brain hemorrhage while in the middle of one of the preceding paragraphs in this thread.

I'd also suggest that, id.s, look into the field of neuropsychology, in order to understand the mechanics that govern the function of our reality generators.

You're probably doing better than I. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the concept of magnetic lines of force being created by unpaired electrons extending their orbit around a mass due to the polar alignment of its molecules.

Tabula_rasa

I'll note it here in passing that as a result of your response to my PM 4 hours ago and your latest post here... hold on, just checking your post one last time... OK, yep, nothing original in there --- Been there, done that, going downtown to buy a t-shirt.

From: We're Only In It For The Money, What's The Ugliest Part Of Your Body?, The Mothers Of Invention, 1968

What's the ugliest
Part of your body?
What's the ugliest
Part of your body?
Some say your nose
Some say your toes
(I think it's your mind)
But I think it's YOUR MIND
(Your mind)
I think it's your mind, woo woo
...

So, goodbye. I'm sorry I can't stay to play with you anymore. Do continue guarding those freethinking, original thoughts of yours with all the care and love that Dahmer showed his dinner. And please, please remember... when they do come to take you away, they really are there to help you.

Tabula_rasa

id.s