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It is not pretentious, it's a technical term with an actual use.
Perhaps in Spain. To those who speak English it is nothing more than being being pompous Then, I can't understand why I'm unpolite for using it. Not impolite, you were just opening yourself up for ridicule. If you were educated you would have known this term, and if you were gentle you will be using it as a common term for us all, which is neither spanish nor english, instead of accusing me of being a caricature. I am passably well educated. I've a couple of advanced degrees and am called "Doctor," and not "Mister." I was also decreed a "Gentleman" by an act of the Congress of the United States. So I have the papers to prove that I am one. [] And I was very careful not to call you a caricature; making the assumption that you were only behaving like one through ignorance of English speaking customs. However since you now have been informed of these customs, and the reasons behind them, we can start afresh. |
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It's blatant that you don't have much to say when you spend plenty of time in ad hominem arguments (hope you know what "ad hominem" means: against the man). And of course I apologize for my poor english. I'm doing my best and you should make an effort too. Daniel. |
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Educated people use them all the time! Ever said "et cetera" before?!
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Ad hominem, strictly speaking, is a fallacy of distraction. Appealing to an irrelevant personal characteristic in an attempt to prejudice others against the opinion of another. It is not simple name-calling. For example, "Susan is ugly" is not an ad hominem argument. "Susan is ugly and therefore her argument is without merit" is an ad hominem argument (unless Susan's alleged lack of beauty was germane to the question). Alternatively, one might refer to an ad hominem style of argumentation if one were faced with an opponent whose only response to an argument was "you're ugly." With that said, while I see some jibes that either are or come close to simple name calling, I don't see any ad hominem or even ad hominem style arguments here. I do see several people asking forceful questions (some perhaps a little more "forcefully" than others ) in a passionate style, but I would expect as much in a forum such as this. I suggest that if you're going to take your opponents to task for knowledge of terminology, you should be careful to ensure that you use it correctly yourself. Regards, Bill Snedden _____________ "There is no god higher than truth." Mohandas Gandhi |
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I'm ridiculous because I knew this term and you don't?
Sigh. No, I knew the term. And if I didn't I have more than enough reference books here to find out. The ridiculousness comes from writing to an audience which you know reads English in Latin. A language that, not only does your audience not speak but, no general audience has spoken for fifteen hundred years. Obviously the information you were trying to convey was not a translation of the words but rather "Daniel is smart. Smarter than you." You were kind enough to translate that message when you feared that no one was getting it. I know full well what ad hominem arguments are. Although you apparently do not. Let's try a Greek word for a change; paranoia. No one is saying 'you are ridiculous so don't listen to your arguments.' We are saying that your arguments are ridiculous. I was warning you about the Latin because I thought that you didn't understand that in English it was a comic cliché. That it made you seem like a self important, pretentious person who resorted to artifice instead of intellect, and I didn't think that you were one. I stand corrected. |
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