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scigirl · 07-23-2002, 09:07 PM

GTX,

While this is a free discussion board, please keep in mind it is the internet infidels. Nearly everyone here accepts evolution, and some of us grow weary with creationists getting in the middle of certain threads pertaining to evolutionary theory (not whether it is true or not, but rather the specifics of it).

Imagine this scenario:

You are at a christian forum, and there is a thread specifically about a chapter in the bible and what it means. Then an atheist shows up and says, 'it's all wrong, it doesn't mean anything.' Well that atheist should expect to be attacked (at the least, not surprised).

Oh, and here at ii - we don't ban you for having opinions, we just make you back them up!

While some people's debate styles are more "forceful" than others, you also have to realize that your ideas, and you as a person, are separate. As a scientist, I expect my ideas to get shot down.

I do encourage you to keep posting here--I and others have enjoyed and appreciated your posts. But don't expect everyone here to coddle you, when you spout the same stuff that others have done so many times before.

scigirl

Oh and pz - be nice!

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]

scigirl · 07-23-2002, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTX:
To those who contributed their smart ass answers, thanks, but please don't assume I don't know anything, you have no idea what my thoughts are and you don't know what I can contribute

This is why you should stroll over to <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000368" target="_blank">Credentials and Experience</a>, and tell us a bit about yourself. Hobbies (such as bowling) may be relevant - list it all!

Quote:

you want your case to be considered by creationists, well do your evolutionary brothers and sisters justice by answering appropriately, show some of your evolutionary knowledge.

Ok you asked for it!

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001052" target="_blank">chimp skulls</a>
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001111" target="_blank">Chromosomes</a>
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001103" target="_blank">Evolution of intelligence</a>
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001073" target="_blank">Fossilization</a>
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001074" target="_blank">Evolution of birds</a>

Well that's enough for now.

scigirl

Badfish · 07-23-2002, 09:24 PM

Thanks scigrl, but I don't want to be coddled, the question seemed to be aimed at non-evolutionists, so the second I post what sounds like bunk I get attacked, how can you have a diverse membership, when the bandwagoneers insist on looking cool by putting someone down?

You will find I am an open minded and cordial contributer to this forum, and will continue to be, but if some creationists or unsure people get treatment like this, you will have a forum filled with people who all believe the same thing, what fun or how educational is that?

I am not personally bothered, I eat lots of Rhino skin

, but at the same time I am not going to be treated like crap because some members just want to try to belittle, so they can sound so smart and cool, when in reality they don't look cool at all.

Badfish · 07-23-2002, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTX:


Again I find this to be kinda bunk, does anyone with knowledge want to tell me what is NOT bunk about my statements? Or do you only want input from evolutionary members?

1. We evolved from one celled organisms.

2. Unexplained missing transitional fossils.

3. An Alligator will evolve to human?

4. Too many variations on the subject.

I can buy evolution within a species possibly, but not total evolution where we were all once the same one celled organism.

Badfish · 07-23-2002, 09:28 PM

Thanks for the links scigrl, but do those links completely make the thread useless? If those are all debunking links, does it not make the thread kind of redundant and rhetorical?

scigirl · 07-23-2002, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTX:
but if some creationists or unsure people get treatment like this, you will have a forum filled with people who all believe the same thing, what fun or how educational is that?

Well it is not a rule of this board that everyone has to be nice.

We may be a bit biased, and one sided. Sure. But at least we don't eliminate the competition, like so many christian forums do. Some people here will not like you, I guess you just have to deal with it. For every poster that offends you, I hope you find 10 others that are fine.

scigirl

scigirl · 07-23-2002, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTX:
Thanks for the links scigrl, but do those links completely make the thread useless? If those are all debunking links, does it not make the thread kind of redundant and rhetorical?

Huh? You asked us to show our "evolutionary knowledge, " and I think we do that all the time here.

That's all I was pointing out.

scigirl

Edited to add. . . in order to keep this thread on topic, please send me a private message, or start a new thread, to discuss the treatment of creationists (or whatever we are talking about) further.

thanks - and sorry to secular elation for getting this off topic!

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]

Badfish · 07-23-2002, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Oh, and here at ii - we don't ban you for having opinions, we just make you back them up!

My questions don't need to be backed up, I know enough to know that total evolution from one celled organisms is a tough proposition.

Badfish · 07-23-2002, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scigirl:


Huh? You asked us to show our "evolutionary knowledge, " and I think we do that all the time here.

That's all I was pointing out.

scigirl

Edited to add. . . in order to keep this thread on topic, please send me a private message, or start a new thread, to discuss the treatment of creationists (or whatever we are talking about) further.

thanks - and sorry to secular elation for getting this off topic!

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]

I will back out.

Those links are great, but are they the definitive answer to all evolutionary questions? If so then this thread really has run its course, and should be renamed "What do creationists find bunk about evolution" Maybe I will start a thread.

Ok, back to the topic, sorry. I won't interrupt again, unless specifically addressed.

pz · 07-24-2002, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTX:


Ho Hum, Who cares what you think about what you think I know. It's people like you that make a bad case for anything, your comments mean squat to me. And your answers are very empty and meaningless, instead of taking offense, present some facts.

The question was "Has there been anything about evolution that sounded like bunk", and I gave my opinion on what sounds like total bunk.

People like you piss me off.

You want facts, yet you want to criticize evolutionary biology by posting vague, silly misconceptions, such as that evolution somehow presumes that alligators will evolve into humans? I agreed with you that that is total bunk. I also pointed out that it is not a claim made by evolutionists.

Your little list was shallow and revealed that you really don't know much about evolution; your final comment, which was a statement of personal incredulity, was therefore valueless. If that pisses you off, be prepared to be cranky a lot.

Oh, and if you really want facts, try posting something substantive and detailed about any one of your four assertions. It's not easy to provide facts in response to something as vague and misleading as "Unexplained missing transitional fossils".

07-23-2002, 09:07 PM	#21
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	GTX, While this is a free discussion board, please keep in mind it is the internet infidels. Nearly everyone here accepts evolution, and some of us grow weary with creationists getting in the middle of certain threads pertaining to evolutionary theory (not whether it is true or not, but rather the specifics of it). Imagine this scenario: You are at a christian forum, and there is a thread specifically about a chapter in the bible and what it means. Then an atheist shows up and says, 'it's all wrong, it doesn't mean anything.' Well that atheist should expect to be attacked (at the least, not surprised). Oh, and here at ii - we don't ban you for having opinions, we just make you back them up! While some people's debate styles are more "forceful" than others, you also have to realize that your ideas, and you as a person, are separate. As a scientist, I expect my ideas to get shot down. I do encourage you to keep posting here--I and others have enjoyed and appreciated your posts. But don't expect everyone here to coddle you, when you spout the same stuff that others have done so many times before. scigirl Oh and pz - be nice! [ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: scigirl ]</p>

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07-23-2002, 09:24 PM	#23
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Thanks scigrl, but I don't want to be coddled, the question seemed to be aimed at non-evolutionists, so the second I post what sounds like bunk I get attacked, how can you have a diverse membership, when the bandwagoneers insist on looking cool by putting someone down? You will find I am an open minded and cordial contributer to this forum, and will continue to be, but if some creationists or unsure people get treatment like this, you will have a forum filled with people who all believe the same thing, what fun or how educational is that? I am not personally bothered, I eat lots of Rhino skin , but at the same time I am not going to be treated like crap because some members just want to try to belittle, so they can sound so smart and cool, when in reality they don't look cool at all.

07-23-2002, 09:28 PM	#25
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Thanks for the links scigrl, but do those links completely make the thread useless? If those are all debunking links, does it not make the thread kind of redundant and rhetorical?

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