Coragyps

That's what happened, and I have proof: FromYoung Frankenstein:
Dr. F "Damn your eyes!"
Igor: "Too late!"

excreationist

Hi ex-robot...
Your profile says you're a theist. So do you think that there is a problem with our eyes (visual system) when we see the white dots having flashing black centres?

ex-robot

I'm not quite sure. Is there something in nature that correlates with this experiment and shows the same results?

You also say "perfect/ly" designed. Who claims perfect design?

xr

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trunks2k

LOL.... I found a new backround! I wonder how long it will be until I start getting a headache.

excreationist

Well there would be things similar to the Hermann Grid in nature. The results with that are fairly subtle though. It may appear in nature somewhere... I hope to explore the scintillating grid more and see if it works with a hexagonal grid, etc. As you can see it works with other colours - like dark red.

Creationists believe that when God said that the creation was "very good", it had been perfectly designed. They believe that genetic problems are just due to mutations which accumulated after the fall. Those who believe in intelligent design believe that an omniscient God created things rather than messy evolutionary processes.

ex-robot

Correct, creationists believe in "perfect" design then, but they DON'T now. From what I have seen, IDR'S believe the same thing, but they don't come out and say it.

xr

Oolon Colluphid

So, uh, ex-robot... the design was perfect to start with, then degenerated by microevolution. How do creationists explain the sort of microevolutionary degeneration that led to the human coccyx, post-auricular muscles, recurrent laryngeal nerve, overcrowded wisdom teeth and masses of useless DNA? (Not sure if you agree with them or not, but you might be able to offer some perspective.)

Oolon

excreationist

Well since everyone seems to experience this problem, it means that both Adam AND Eve would have had that problem as well. So did they initially not have that problem and then got given that problem in their DNA (particularly sperm manufacturing DNA and all Eve's eggs)?
And why did God go to all the trouble of giving Adam and Eve this exact same problem because of the curse?

ex-robot

As I said before, I'm not even sure if this is a real problem in a real world situation. Why would Adam and Eve have to have it? I believe it is the consensus that things are getting progressively worse. Adam and Eve probably didn't have myopia, astigmatism, and all the other eye problems people have either. I don't believe besides child birth, the bible saying God imposed any direct problems on our bodies except for things starting to run down or whatever. Who knows what problems Adam and Eve developed before they died and what came about over time, etc. in the creationist scheme of things.

xr

tronvillain

Ah, but this isn't a degenerative problem - it would have required deliberate design to create it if humans didn't have it before the fall.