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Jack the Bodiless · 12-12-2002, 07:29 AM

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(d) The supervising officers and teachers in charge of public, private or parochial schools may offer at least one full period per week, for the purpose of affirming and developing allegiance to and respect for the Flag of the United States of America, and for the promoting of a clear understanding of our American way of life, with all of the unparalleled individual opportunities, and our republican form of government, with its responsiveness to majority decisions and demands. Such elements shall be included in this program as instruction in the fundamental principles of our form of government, an understanding of the provisions of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the Constitution of the United States of America, the values to be found in the freedom of speech, of religion and of the press..

Splendid! The Bill allows kids one full period per week in which kids can be taught that the Bill itself is unconstitutional and a violation of the American Way.

Rusting Car Bumper · 12-12-2002, 07:41 AM

I wish someone would form a non-violent direct action form of protest against this. Maybe doing something like standing up and turning ones back to the direction everyone is facing.

If you get enough people to do it the disruption will create a stir.

DC

Splat · 12-12-2002, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by DigitalChicken:
I wish someone would form a non-violent direct action form of protest against this. Maybe doing something like standing up and turning ones back to the direction everyone is facing.

If you get enough people to do it the disruption will create a stir.

DC

I'm planning one. I'm thinking of a letter to parents in my kids' school, asking them to talk to their kids about free speech and freedom from government coercion, and seeing if I can get enough people who'll try and get their kids to remain silent throught the pledge.

It's incredibly risky in a conservative place like this, but I think there are enough enlightened parents that it might work. The key will be wrapping myself in the flag in a way that makes it clear the distinction between true patriotism and the Constitutional foundations of this country, and the cheap sentimental patriotism embodied in the legislation.

Ideas?

Splat · 12-16-2002, 08:28 PM

Bump. Ideas folks?

ElectEngr · 12-17-2002, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by DigitalChicken:
I wish someone would form a non-violent direct action form of protest against this. Maybe doing something like standing up and turning ones back to the direction everyone is facing.

You should also have the arms folded in front of you...like Klingon Discommendation.

Yeah, I'm a Trekkie.

Later,
ElectEngr

Gar · 12-17-2002, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mecha_Dude:
i'm in PA and I never say the pledge, I don't even stand up. Fortunately my parents already know I do this. I have gotten a slight reprimand for mocking the pledge, though...

I pledge obedience to the flag
of the unindicted, co-conspirators of America
and to the republicans for whom it stands
on abomination, underhanded fraud
indefensible
with liberty and justice for all*

*subject to change

Stephen Maturin · 02-07-2003, 04:53 AM

This one's heating up quickly. The new law goes into effect today, but Pennsylvania education officials said they won't enforce it for the time being. A high school student and a small private school have filed suit requesting a declaration that the law is unconstitutional.

Suit Opposes Mandated Pledge of Allegiance

Teen Fights Patriotism Law

Indivisible in Pa.?

hezekiah jones · 02-07-2003, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by Stephen Maturin
Suit Opposes Mandated Pledge of Allegiance

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But the decision to be a plaintiff proved to be difficult for many, [ACLU attorney Stefan] Presser said, noting that some potential plaintiffs said they feared hate mail or pickets if they opted to go to court.

And I am certain the fuckers that supported this ridiculous law knew that would happen. Pricks.

never been there · 02-07-2003, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
And I am certain the fuckers that supported this ridiculous law knew that would happen. Pricks.

Of course they did, and now they'll be pointing out how they're better Americans that the rest of you.

Isn't that why you kept your right to private firearms?

Psycho Economist · 02-07-2003, 07:31 PM

Dear Mrs. Fundie,

We have reason to believe that your son is either a gay, a communist or an athiest. Perhaps all three. He refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance this morning and we all know: they are the only people who do that kind of thing. The state legislature of Pennsylvania insists it is the duty of the school to inform you of your son's defective character so you may take corrective action. If he joins the People's Queer Taliban for Athiests and blows up decent, money-earnin', baby-makin' God-fearin' Americans, you'll have only yourself to blame.

Please do remember that the state has strict standards for what types of beatings may be used as punishment and which are defined as child abuse. If you have any questions, please feel free to call our dean of boys. He will be more than happy to ensure your disciplinary action stays within the constraints of the law.

Remember, veterans groups died to put "under God" into the Pledege of Allegiance back in 1492... or something like that.

Sincerely,

Principal B.P. Hammer

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12-12-2002, 07:41 AM	#12
Rusting Car Bumper Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 4,171	I wish someone would form a non-violent direct action form of protest against this. Maybe doing something like standing up and turning ones back to the direction everyone is facing. If you get enough people to do it the disruption will create a stir. DC

12-16-2002, 08:28 PM	#14
Splat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hell, PA Posts: 599	Bump. Ideas folks?

02-07-2003, 04:53 AM	#17
Stephen Maturin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Broomfield, Colorado, USA Posts: 1,295	This one's heating up quickly. The new law goes into effect today, but Pennsylvania education officials said they won't enforce it for the time being. A high school student and a small private school have filed suit requesting a declaration that the law is unconstitutional. Suit Opposes Mandated Pledge of Allegiance Teen Fights Patriotism Law Indivisible in Pa.?

02-07-2003, 07:31 PM	#20
Psycho Economist Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 854	Dear Mrs. Fundie, We have reason to believe that your son is either a gay, a communist or an athiest. Perhaps all three. He refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance this morning and we all know: they are the only people who do that kind of thing. The state legislature of Pennsylvania insists it is the duty of the school to inform you of your son's defective character so you may take corrective action. If he joins the People's Queer Taliban for Athiests and blows up decent, money-earnin', baby-makin' God-fearin' Americans, you'll have only yourself to blame. Please do remember that the state has strict standards for what types of beatings may be used as punishment and which are defined as child abuse. If you have any questions, please feel free to call our dean of boys. He will be more than happy to ensure your disciplinary action stays within the constraints of the law. Remember, veterans groups died to put "under God" into the Pledege of Allegiance back in 1492... or something like that. Sincerely, Principal B.P. Hammer

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