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emotional · 12-03-2002, 02:51 AM

The Qur'an, like the Bible, is a <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/platyquran.htm"" target="_blank">flat-earth book</a>.

Camaban · 12-03-2002, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by devnet:
The Qur'an, like the Bible, is a <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/platyquran.htm"" target="_blank">flat-earth book</a>.

Thanks

This is more a "defend your view" one though (with him defending it)

I'll give him credit, he's trying harder than any christian I've seen so far.

Peez · 12-03-2002, 07:10 AM

You might want to peruse <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/denis_giron/islamsci.html" target="_blank">Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?</a> which has some interesting observations, including the Qur'an telling us that sperm comes from a spot between the backbone and the ribs.

Peez

Boro Nut · 12-03-2002, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Camaban:
Genesis-like creation myths?

Only after Peter Gabriel left.

Boro Nut

eh · 12-03-2002, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Camaban:
[QB]aving an argument with a Muslim fundy, who thinks that the Koran is right because they knew that the earth, universe, etc came from a single point (Reckons the Koran says that)

Trying to find other religions that believe the same thing (preferably pre-dating islam) but having a few problems (unreliable connection ATM being one of them)

Any links?

Why not ask him how the Koran would explain a universe that did not emerge from a point? I mean, if something like brane cosmology were proven tommorrow, you'd have Muslims and Christians claiming it was in their holy books all along on the next day. Funny how flexible these myths are, eh?

Marduk · 12-03-2002, 08:09 AM

Frankly if a God or even an advanced alien species did try and explain creation, physics and biology to ancient people without any background in any of these subjects, the myths wouldn’t be any different than they are now. Each writer would have told a story in his own awkward words and nothing would be any different.

Kosh · 12-03-2002, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut:


Only after Peter Gabriel left.

Boro Nut

And then there were 3....

Nic Tamzek · 12-03-2002, 10:27 AM

One thing to watch out for on this topic is "secondary retellings of biblical creation myths". I have come across a few instances where it looks pretty obvious that the following occurred:

1) Missionary A visits region X in 1800 (or whatever) and tells the usual bible stories.

2) These stories get retold, spread around, etc. for a few generations, long after Missionary A and his mission have left.

3) Gullible Missionary B visits region X (or adjacent region Y) in something like 1970. He hears versions of the above stories and concludes "independent confirmation of the Bible!". He excitedly writes home to the congregation, denominational periodical, etc.

4) A creationist comes across this and adds it to his list of "independent" stories similar to the bible.

There's probably documentation of this somewhere on the web if anyone is interested.

nic

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12-03-2002, 02:51 AM	#11
emotional Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Boxing ring of HaShem, Jesus and Allah Posts: 1,945	The Qur'an, like the Bible, is a <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/platyquran.htm"" target="_blank">flat-earth book</a>.

12-03-2002, 07:10 AM	#13
Peez Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 5,504	You might want to peruse <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/denis_giron/islamsci.html" target="_blank">Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?</a> which has some interesting observations, including the Qur'an telling us that sperm comes from a spot between the backbone and the ribs. Peez

12-03-2002, 08:09 AM	#16
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	Frankly if a God or even an advanced alien species did try and explain creation, physics and biology to ancient people without any background in any of these subjects, the myths wouldn’t be any different than they are now. Each writer would have told a story in his own awkward words and nothing would be any different.

12-03-2002, 10:27 AM	#18
Nic Tamzek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 646	One thing to watch out for on this topic is "secondary retellings of biblical creation myths". I have come across a few instances where it looks pretty obvious that the following occurred: 1) Missionary A visits region X in 1800 (or whatever) and tells the usual bible stories. 2) These stories get retold, spread around, etc. for a few generations, long after Missionary A and his mission have left. 3) Gullible Missionary B visits region X (or adjacent region Y) in something like 1970. He hears versions of the above stories and concludes "independent confirmation of the Bible!". He excitedly writes home to the congregation, denominational periodical, etc. 4) A creationist comes across this and adds it to his list of "independent" stories similar to the bible. There's probably documentation of this somewhere on the web if anyone is interested. nic

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