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Old 08-05-2003, 10:44 AM   #111
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Probably not, actually, seeing as I am a woman.
I'll address you as she from now on.she

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I don't blame a God. I don't believe there is any such thing. This is not another one of your problem of suffering threads, sophie.
Hmmm.



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Many things are difficult. Humans can and do do them every day. Particularly when dealing with sexual trauma, denial and avoidance are coin of the psychological realm.
but fake smiles and fake laughter rankle of the bogus.
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She loves you...
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Yeh.
Yeh. Yeh.

She loves you...
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yeh.
Yeh. Yeh.

And with a love like that, you know you should be glad.

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2 no's to your no
And 2 nose to your nose!

Ahem.

With that in mind, sophie, would you say that nuns are on the whole a fairly jolly bunch, or no?

vm
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She wasn't blaming God, she was blaming the Church, which is made up of men.
SO can you realise the plight of nuns. Since when did women have some rights in life? If you think clearly nuns were leading the cause long long before men let them think they had an equal share. yeh. (Despite the fucked up priests). yeh.

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Read your own first paragraph again and see how it completely contradicts your little anon quote. (hard to blame something that doesn't exist)
You are reading 2 much into what I have written.
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Old 08-05-2003, 10:53 AM   #114
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With that in mind, sophie, would you say that nuns are on the whole a fairly jolly bunch, or no?
On the whole no, 2 much human troubles to sidetrack them.
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If happy clergy support the existence of god, then depraved, criminal and unhappy clergy can only support its nonexistence.
bad logic. reprocess please.

If (x) implies (y).
then
If not(x) implies not(y). not(existence of omniGOD) also can mean unwillingness to believe, power struck, believe themselves to be the incarnation of omniGOD, ect..
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Old 08-05-2003, 11:02 AM   #116
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I'll address you as she from now on. she
Since you are addressing me, the second person pronoun "you" will suffice. I see you managed to use it just fine in the first sentence. Keep up the good work. You may also call me livius. Unlike the Pope and mafia dons, I find the inappropriate use of the third person terribly affected.

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Further : but fake smiles and fake laughter rankle of the bogus.
Only the ones you catch, obviously. There are some fine actors in the world. Some people, particularly those who have learned to hide the truth about their pain from a very young age, could deceive even an acumen as sharp as your own.

Furthermore, please keep in mind that we're talking here about a single picture on a website and a handful of profiles written in a stilted, contrived style. Not one on one interaction, not a conversation, not a laugh. Just a picture. There are entire industries built on the premise that happiness can be faked for the camera and look even more genuine than the genuine.
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livius drusus : bad logic. reprocess please.

If (x) implies (y).
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If not(x) implies not(y). not(existence of omniGOD) also can mean unwillingness to believe, power struck, believe themselves to be the incarnation of omniGOD, ect..
sophie, that's exactly what livius was pointing out - the bad logic in claiming that "happy clergy support the existence of god".

Reprocess, please.
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Reprocess, please.
sure thing.

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sophie, that's exactly what livius was pointing out - the bad logic in claiming that "happy clergy support the existence of god".
Well happy clergy surely would not support the downfall of humans, would they? I think happy clergy would help make others think the clergy have something the others do not have. Note carefully what I am saying. I am not claiming that happy clergy means omniGOD exists. I am saying that it adds support to their belief systems.
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Exiled leader has emotional unstability due to loss of country. Yeh.
No, emotional stability does not preclude being able to feel unhappiness. The assumpion is that the exiled leader is not emotionally unstable, just very unhappy. She is still of sound mind.

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Beggar finds emotional stability in a crust of bread. yeh.
Beggar finds dinner - hence his joy. Despite his emotional unstability. He is still of unsound mind.

It seems as if you are trying to redefine "emotional stability" to mean "happy", but that begs the question.

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If not what then? How does one retain such?
I don't know - but I guess that exploring and/or creating are key. Changing, becoming, growing. Best to be a student or artist of some sort; to continually have challenges to overcome.

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2 no's to your no.
But both your no's are misdirected, Sophie. Happiness is less a state, and more like a path.

yin/yang.
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No, emotional stability does not preclude being able to feel unhappiness. The assumpion is that the exiled leader is not emotionally unstable, just very unhappy. She is still of sound mind.
If she is still of sound mind then why would she not correspond with reality? Unhappy because she cannot have what she lost reeks of emotional unstability to me. It tells me the exiled leader has not come to grips with the new reality - hence the unhappiness.

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Beggar finds dinner - hence his joy. Despite his emotional unstability. He is still of unsound mind.
But he became of unsound mind because of his inability to produce dinner. He finds a crust of bread, has joy and he returns to his old emotionally stable self.


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It seems as if you are trying to redefine "emotional stability" to mean "happy", but that begs the question.
Perhaps I may be guilty of some transgression. Can you tell which?
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