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Mr. Superbad · 03-15-2003, 10:09 PM

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I want my country back!

I don't want to listen to fundamentalist preachers anymore!

Saw this on the republican propaganda net-- er... Fox News in their report about the California Democratic Convention. Of course, they immediatly made a joke about him being to the left of Al Sharpton after dismissing the democratic charge of "unilateral" war, "there's no telling these democrats that Bush has the support of 30 countries". They report, you decide.

He won't get the support of fundamentalists because of the Civil Unions bill, but I didn't expect to ever hear that. Wow. From the clip they showed, the crowd went nuts.

They are supposed to be showing the speech on CSPAN tommorrow.

ex-idaho · 03-15-2003, 11:57 PM

That is awesome.

I did have a problem with Dean this past week when he said that he would lay off the president once the bombs started falling in Iraq. I think that is the most appropriate time to critcize this president. It is time to dispell the notion that it is somehow wrong to criticize a president during a time of war because it may undermine our troops. Hogwash!

As for Dean being left of Sharpton, I call bullshit. He is actually quite conservative on some issues. He is an NRA member and takes a moderate view on taxes. Here is more info:

On the campaign trail with the un-Bush

Mr. Superbad · 03-16-2003, 09:34 AM

Yep, if they are going to try and dismiss him as some super-liberal, they've got another thing coming. By all indications he's fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, which appeals to a lot of independent voters.

capsaicin67 · 03-16-2003, 10:08 AM

I don't want to listen to fundamentalist preachers anymore!

By all indications he's fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, which appeals to a lot of independent voters.

This rocks. I hope that the tone of the Dem candidates in general is forced in this direction. This is 2003 stuff, not 1979 or 1954 stuff. Bring it on.

Loren Pechtel · 03-16-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Superbad
Yep, if they are going to try and dismiss him as some super-liberal, they've got another thing coming. By all indications he's fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, which appeals to a lot of independent voters.

Liberal: Anyone not of the RR. Therefore he's a #$^%@ liberal!

Oresta · 03-16-2003, 01:18 PM

In this week's Nation. David Corn calls Dean a "unintentional liberal". He certainly is a welcome antidote to Senator Mr.-Faith-Based-Charity Lieberman.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=corn

Edited to correct misquote

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TealVeal · 03-16-2003, 01:38 PM

Dean doesn't seem half bad to me. I wish he'd say what he thought about the stupid DCMA but I guess you can't have everything.

Jolimont · 03-16-2003, 01:49 PM

I'm very happy with what I see in Howard Dean. I cannot and will not vote for Lieberman. No more religiosity from the White House, pease!

Mr. Superbad · 03-16-2003, 02:07 PM

http://deancalltoaction.blogspot.com is an official page of Howard Dean that will be evolving, for anyone is interested in supporting Dean right now. He seems to be very interested in using the internet to grow grassroots support of his campaign.

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Originally posted by TealVeal
Dean doesn't seem half bad to me. I wish he'd say what he thought about the stupid DCMA but I guess you can't have everything.

Do you mean the copyright act? Yeah, that doesn't seem to be a big issue with any candidate. You can email him and ask about it. http://dean2004.blogspot.com is asking for questions to submit to his campaign, for an online interview of sorts.

The thing that impresses me most about him, is that he comes from a scientific background being a doctor, and bases his judgements on facts and despises emotional arguements and dislikes idealogues. He also doens't seem to be afraid of taking on rightwingers and calling them on their BS, and doesn't come off as whiney or weak when he does it.

I hate to sound like a shill for him, but the more I hear from him the more he impresses me.

TealVeal · 03-16-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Superbad
*snip*

Cool

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Thanks to reader Ken Manz for pointing out: http://dean2004.blogpsot.com - don't visit the URL, it just puts huge pop-ups all over your screen and tries to sell you bibles. But it's clear that Dean's candidacy (and the Dean Blog particularly) has attracted enough attention that it's now become worthy of parasitic typo-traffic.

Saw that in the comments area. How...not suprised I am somebody would do that.

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03-15-2003, 11:57 PM	#2
ex-idaho Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spudtopia, ID Posts: 5,315	That is awesome. I did have a problem with Dean this past week when he said that he would lay off the president once the bombs started falling in Iraq. I think that is the most appropriate time to critcize this president. It is time to dispell the notion that it is somehow wrong to criticize a president during a time of war because it may undermine our troops. Hogwash! As for Dean being left of Sharpton, I call bullshit. He is actually quite conservative on some issues. He is an NRA member and takes a moderate view on taxes. Here is more info: On the campaign trail with the un-Bush

03-16-2003, 09:34 AM	#3
Mr. Superbad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Well fortified mountain bunker Posts: 3,567	Yep, if they are going to try and dismiss him as some super-liberal, they've got another thing coming. By all indications he's fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, which appeals to a lot of independent voters.

03-16-2003, 10:08 AM	#4
capsaicin67 Contributor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gold coast plain, sea, scrubland, mountain range. Posts: 20,955	I don't want to listen to fundamentalist preachers anymore! By all indications he's fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, which appeals to a lot of independent voters. This rocks. I hope that the tone of the Dem candidates in general is forced in this direction. This is 2003 stuff, not 1979 or 1954 stuff. Bring it on.

03-16-2003, 01:18 PM	#6
Oresta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,107	In this week's Nation. David Corn calls Dean a "unintentional liberal". He certainly is a welcome antidote to Senator Mr.-Faith-Based-Charity Lieberman. http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=corn Edited to correct misquote .

03-16-2003, 01:38 PM	#7
TealVeal Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: WM Posts: 208	Dean doesn't seem half bad to me. I wish he'd say what he thought about the stupid DCMA but I guess you can't have everything.

03-16-2003, 01:49 PM	#8
Jolimont Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA expat, now living in France Posts: 1,153	I'm very happy with what I see in Howard Dean. I cannot and will not vote for Lieberman. No more religiosity from the White House, pease!

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