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Roland98 · 07-25-2003, 09:04 AM

Ugh, this guy has been on CBBS a few times and generally does a terrible job. He bailed on an earlier thread due to "work out of town," and now a new thread's been started for questions from "non-believers." Unfortunately, several of the atheists have been banned since the first thread died, and based on his earliest posts on this new thread, I'd love to see this guy skewered.

Here's the link, if anyone's interested:

Skeptics, Atheists, Agnostics: Post your tough questions here

If you don't want to go through all the registration, but you have some good stumpers, you can post them here and I'll paste them on the thread over there.

I ate Pascal's Wafer · 07-26-2003, 03:58 PM

Are ya a bit annoyed at this guy? I can't say that I really blame you.

Ah well, we can have the last laugh because it looks like he'll be skewered again in this thread. I'm sure if he does this enough times it will reflect poorly on his ministry.

Anyway, to anyone who's curious, I go by "firehawk" on that site.

-Nick

WinAce · 07-26-2003, 08:51 PM

I just posted a good skewering. Although I'm loathe to reveal my identity for fear of being banned, it's a phonetic pun on a well-known and pretty much secularized symbol of one of the important Christian holidays.

Ah, what the hell, I'm East_R_Benny and posted this.

I ate Pascal's Wafer · 07-27-2003, 08:08 AM

Roland, did they ban you? I think I noticed another screen name with the signature "Roland" on one of the threads.

-Nick

Doctor X · 07-27-2003, 09:07 AM

So . . . that is what your user names are . . . good . . . no problem. . . .

--J.D.

Roland98 · 07-27-2003, 06:17 PM

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Roland, did they ban you? I think I noticed another screen name with the signature "Roland" on one of the threads.

Heh heh, yeah, I saw that too. Just a coincidence.

Yes, I'm annoyed with this guy. As I see it, he's adopted the typical apologetics dishonest tricks, including, but not limited to, bailing on the thread when it got too hot to handle, then several weeks later, having another one started for him, without answering the most difficult questions remaining from the first thread. And now I'm even more pissed off, because he completely ignored every point of my post, and suggested I'm disrespectful because I pointed out that his equation of atheism with being an evolutionist is a strawman. Guess he must be a little thin-skinned.

Loved your post, WinAce. Looking forward to his comments. Might have to registed under an assumed name just to get my posts addressed (I'm ts98 over there--currently.

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I ate Pascal's Wafer · 07-27-2003, 07:22 PM

Yeah, this guy is no better than any other lame apologist. Did you see his reasoning for leaving the other thread completely? He had to 'go on a trip' and he was 'too far behind' to catch up. Bullshit. That thread stayed the way he left it. There was nothing new added since he had left, so it would be no big deal to pick up where he left off. I'm a bit irritated at him too, but I figure the best way to go is to skewer the fellow and make him run away crying.

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Guess he must be a little thin-skinned.

LOL. Well, look who his "ministry" is aimed at. He goes around preaching to xians in order to strengthen their faith and get their paychecks. He doesn't know what to do when he finds real non-believers who actually have arguments with some substance. It's no wonder he's thin-skinned.

-Nick

liamo · 07-28-2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Roland98
If you don't want to go through all the registration, but you have some good stumpers, you can post them here and I'll paste them on the thread over there.

To this:

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How does Christianity explain the mutation and damage in our DNA that cause horribly malformed children? There are pictures of this on the internet and they are very, very disturbing. If God created us perfectly why are we so flawed?

Dale replied the following:

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FSOL, Christianty makes a distinction between moral evil and natural evil. The 'damage and mutation' of our DNA would be a natural evil. This, as some Christian theodocies put it, is a product of our own choices. When we chose to violate God, we also choose to violate his natural order. In this sense, we, along with nature, were cursed. So we've got to deal with these
mutations now, just like we have to deal with volcanoes.

I do believe God made us perfectly, but we chose to be imperfect. Effects have causes. Plants come from seeds. Evil, both moral and natural, are a result of our choices. We sometimes suffer the consequences of someone's choices in the past--like environmental issues, for example.

The way I se it, only on the Christian view is there a remedy.

What about animals, then? They too suffer from mutations. Did they choose to violate God? If so this must mean they have a conscience (and Christians should try to save them). If not, there is no reason why human mutations should have a different origin.

liam

Silent Dave · 07-29-2003, 09:05 PM

This is how I would reply:

"You said 'as some Christian theodocies put it.' Do YOU, in fact, subscribe to one of those theodicies?

"If so, what, specifically, is the theodicy to which you subscribe, and how does that theodicy deal with the apparent lack of any causal chain from human immorality to, say, the Portugal earthquake of 1755 that killed 70,000 people?

"If you don't subscribe to one of those theodicies, then how do YOU explain natural evils?"

Dave

07-25-2003, 09:04 AM	#1
Roland98 Contributor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Gilead Posts: 11,186	Invitation to question a Christian apologetic? Ugh, this guy has been on CBBS a few times and generally does a terrible job. He bailed on an earlier thread due to "work out of town," and now a new thread's been started for questions from "non-believers." Unfortunately, several of the atheists have been banned since the first thread died, and based on his earliest posts on this new thread, I'd love to see this guy skewered. Here's the link, if anyone's interested: Skeptics, Atheists, Agnostics: Post your tough questions here If you don't want to go through all the registration, but you have some good stumpers, you can post them here and I'll paste them on the thread over there.

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07-26-2003, 03:58 PM	#2
I ate Pascal's Wafer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,460	Are ya a bit annoyed at this guy? I can't say that I really blame you. Ah well, we can have the last laugh because it looks like he'll be skewered again in this thread. I'm sure if he does this enough times it will reflect poorly on his ministry. Anyway, to anyone who's curious, I go by "firehawk" on that site. -Nick

07-26-2003, 08:51 PM	#3
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	I just posted a good skewering. Although I'm loathe to reveal my identity for fear of being banned, it's a phonetic pun on a well-known and pretty much secularized symbol of one of the important Christian holidays. Ah, what the hell, I'm East_R_Benny and posted this.

07-27-2003, 08:08 AM	#4
I ate Pascal's Wafer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,460	Roland, did they ban you? I think I noticed another screen name with the signature "Roland" on one of the threads. -Nick

07-27-2003, 09:07 AM	#5
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	So . . . that is what your user names are . . . good . . . no problem. . . . --J.D.

07-29-2003, 09:05 PM	#9
Silent Dave Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Bloomington, MN Posts: 2,209	This is how I would reply: "You said 'as some Christian theodocies put it.' Do YOU, in fact, subscribe to one of those theodicies? "If so, what, specifically, is the theodicy to which you subscribe, and how does that theodicy deal with the apparent lack of any causal chain from human immorality to, say, the Portugal earthquake of 1755 that killed 70,000 people? "If you don't subscribe to one of those theodicies, then how do YOU explain natural evils?" Dave

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