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Old 05-09-2003, 11:47 AM   #141
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Did God say to adam why he couldn't eat from it?
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Yes.

Did Adam understand this?
I don't think so. If you understood it, would you have eaten the fruit? I wouldn't have. Then again, I understand that death is a terrible consequence for an action and I am not morally ignorant.

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No. He knew it was going against the command of God. He didn't know that going against the command of God was bad.

What was teh point od God telling him then?
To keep A&E as ignorant servents. Their blind obedience apparently sufficed until the serpent convinced Eve otherwise. The ease with which the serpent convinced Eve is an indication of their moral ignorance.

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Was he self-aware on other parts of himself, i.e. I can talk, or I exist in teh GoE.
I don't see any way to make a concrete determination on this, one way or the other.

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Was he concious about the fact that he coulk communicate?
I see no indication of Adam having subjective consciousness.

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The "I am" statement has importance here, because if Adam knew he existed and was alive, then Adam could be able to see that death is teh opposite of life.
Which "I am" statement? I didn't find any between Adam's creation and "The Fall". There is nothing to indicate that Adam fully understood what death was.

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Why do you stay alive?
Because I haven't died yet.

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Why do you choose to stay alive, if there is no purpose?
Why assume that in order to want to live, you need to have a purpose? I have more fun living life without a purpose than I did when I thought there was a purpose.

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Maybe the purpose is to have fun?
I think, overall, it is the best purpose. Fun for everyone. It would take a lot of work to achieve that, though.

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Old 05-10-2003, 05:11 PM   #142
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He was told he would die, the idea of death would be bad wouldn't it?
Not quite. Adam had never seen death, if you go by what's written in Genesis. And children younger than 5 or 6 do not understand the concept of death now. The idea that one might die oneself usually doesn't really sink in until one is in their 20s, unless one has a truly horrible experience to ram the lesson home. And that's here and now, where death is a normal consequence of life. While God might have said, "You will die," that doesn't mean that Adam had any chance of understanding what that meant.

[caveat: this is a logical exercise, since even when I was a theist, I didn't buy the Genesis fairytale nor the idea of original sin]
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