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BigJim · 08-26-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10:


I'm going to assume you're kidding here. I spent 25+ years as an RC (parents still are) and I never heard this line of reasoning in church or school.

I mean, my take is that there is no heaven or hell, but I question the consistency of your comments with the RC view.

Wyz_sub10, welcome aboard. Amos is one of our more interesting theists. His views of the Catholic faith are quite unique. As far as we can tell, he's not kidding.

And Amos, I second what alli said. While I almost never agree with what you write, I do enjoy reading much of it.

08-26-2002, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Daggah:


Excuse me? Are you really that dumb?

I am in favor of the complete separation of Church and state with the Church being above the state to guide and direct like a true "Upper House" and below the state like a true Church to help the convicted and suffering servants of the state.

08-26-2002, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by alli:
Amos what about lapsed catholics and heaven??? If on my death bed I suddenly reconvert and want last rites will I still be allowed in???

Thanks alli and rest assured that you will be OK even without the last rites.

Barry's problem was that he "gave his life to Christ" and was "born again." Barry had become a new creation and had been assured that "a one way ticked to heaven awaits him when he dies."

We all know what that means and I will argue that Barry had entered the race when he "gave his life to Christ" but since Barry did not complete the race before he died Barry will not go to heaven. Notice that Barry had planned to go to church that night(???) which indicates that he was "on fire for the Lord." My point is that Barry displayed the true meaning of the word "lukewarm" as described in Rev.4:14-17--and a whole bunch of others like that.

08-26-2002, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10:


I'm going to assume you're kidding here. I spent 25+ years as an RC (parents still are) and I never heard this line of reasoning in church or school.

Even in the CCC of today the RCC holds that heaven is for Catholics only and the inference here is that hell is not for Catholics only. The implied meaning is 1), not all Catholics go to heaven 2), not all protestants go to hell. In the end this means that Catholics can go to both heaven or hell while protestans can go to hell but not to heaven.

Please be not offended by my position which I state on a religious discussion board for the discovery of truth.

08-26-2002, 05:21 PM

Your sympathy gets you no where. Basically, its random luck that you picked the right religion and were born in the right place in the world and didn't die before you were baptized. Barry is screwed, he didn't send Billy enough money therefore hes gonna burn.

Pensee · 08-26-2002, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Panta Pei:
God works in mysterious ways and we, as imperfect humans, can never know what was in Barry's heart at the time of his death or how our Loving Father judged his soul...

...or some such tripe.

Dad?

daemon · 08-26-2002, 05:34 PM

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Amos: Even in the CCC of today the RCC holds that heaven is for Catholics only and the inference here is that hell is not for Catholics only. The implied meaning is 1), not all Catholics go to heaven 2), not all protestants go to hell. In the end this means that Catholics can go to both heaven or hell while protestans can go to hell but not to heaven.

Sorry, Amos, I just looked--the Catechism says no such thing. You keep pretending you're not a heretic!

08-26-2002, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by daemon:
Sorry, Amos, I just looked--the Catechism says no such thing. You keep pretending you're not a heretic!

It is in there but maybe not just the way I put it. It is often used by protestants against the Catholic Church.

I am not a religionist but just an apologist without the urge to convert others.

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

daemon · 08-27-2002, 09:14 AM

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Amos: It is in there but maybe not just the way I put it. It is often used by protestants against the Catholic Church.

So you're using the Protestant definitions of Catholics to determine what Catholicism is? For shame, Amos!

As far as modern Catholic thinking goes, Protestants are still members of the Catholic Church, simply fallen away. The Church's official stance is that Protestants may go to heaven.

Brahma's atheist · 08-27-2002, 10:08 AM

Why does Barry not know this being, god you call it? Surely it's the fault of this god bloke that Barry doesn't worship him. God, whichever one is the right one, is supposedly omnipotent so why does Barry not know about it from birth? You would think it would simply be a part of life like breathing.

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08-26-2002, 05:21 PM	#15
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Your sympathy gets you no where. Basically, its random luck that you picked the right religion and were born in the right place in the world and didn't die before you were baptized. Barry is screwed, he didn't send Billy enough money therefore hes gonna burn.

08-27-2002, 10:08 AM	#20
Brahma's atheist Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: (not so) United Kingdom Posts: 514	Why does Barry not know this being, god you call it? Surely it's the fault of this god bloke that Barry doesn't worship him. God, whichever one is the right one, is supposedly omnipotent so why does Barry not know about it from birth? You would think it would simply be a part of life like breathing.

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