Daggah

Hiya, Night_Spawn.

TalkOrigins, which has already been linked to, is full of it.

You've been trying to slide away from arguing about the 2nd law of thermodynamics in our e-mails...and now you want to argue it here?

You said in your e-mail to me:

Eh?

Daggah

#1: You find a creation article, and we'll show how easily it can be refuted. Most creationist websites are the same old drivel we're all used to seeing (like, for example, the drivel on your own website.)

#2: Evolution is pretty much proven in everyone's eyes but the extremist Christians. Mainstream Christianity has accepted it as well, and you'll be hard-pressed to find any serious creation movement outside of the U.S. in the western world.

Kaina

Hi Spawn

Evidence for evolution:
Changes in gene frequency can be observed in populations in the wild and can be experimentally manipulated in the lab. This is the basic definition of evolution and even most creationists will say, "oh sure that happens, but I meant real evolution", like it's something different.

Regarding your web page, it is relevant because it shows us where you're coming from and how basic our replies should be. And anybody who uses the 2LoT as an argument against evolution automatically gets the rolled eyes and the disrespect that their lack of scientific knowledge warrants. Here's a good site for the basics on the 2LoT: <a href="http://riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/thermo.htm" target="_blank">Riggins web page</a>

Daggah

Such as? Specifics? What notto has said is pretty much what I've said: that the 2nd law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to evolution, because #1, the universe isn't a closed system, and #2, thermodynamics isn't relevant to evolution.

So feel free to start one. And if you use Paley's Watch even once, be prepared to be laughed out of here, "genius."

Pantera

Since threads like these never seem to go anywhere, perhaps you could give us a hint by telling us just what evidence you would accept for evolution.

CodeMason

Here's a prediction: He won't accept any evidence for evolution. As a response to our points, he'll either use an emotional plea (he's done it before), or dodge it completely and paste some different creationist garbage. He seems very confused, and is not likely to participate in any meaningful discussion.

NiGhT SpAwN

Didn't I say that I didn't like debating through e-mails....okay.

Haven't been trying to slide out of it. I was busy and you're e-mails were while I was busy....which is kinda annoying cause I receive those kind of e-mails all the time.
Just wanted to make it clear about your opinion up there.
sure we can talk about it here.

Awww, you don't like my site. Well, get in the line, cause your not the first.lol
Here's a creation article about thermodynamics:
<a href="http://www.aboundingjoy.com/2ndlaw-fs.html" target="_blank">2nd law of thermodynamics and evolution</a>
It also has observations by scientists at that site on the subject.

Actually, I'm in a lot of debates right now. I seriously have no time to start and hold my own on another debate. I will post one up tomorrow or the day after. That's a promise.

I'm not sure what I would accept. Hopefully, you guys are more explanatory than the guys at the P.O.D forums. if you are, then I'm bound to accept some of what you say.
If you're curious. I do believe in evolution to a certain degree, like I told Daggah in our e-mail war. I believe that we have evolved in certain ways, but I don't believe that we evolved from animals.....That's just too hard to believe.

Do I know you from somewhere? P.O.D Forums; is that it? If you are from the P.O.D Forums, then you must be that guy that gave me the link here.
I have been open-minded enough to come here, so why are you still making assumptions about my actions?

Christopher Lord

Folks, there is a a great way to relive the frustration:

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Must return to drunken debachery.

graden1

Here's a creation article about thermodynamics:
2nd law of thermodynamics and evolution

Yep, that one's right up there with "Big Daddy". You should print that baby up, and see if Jack Chick would like to illustrate it for you. He's good at drawing monkeys.

Daggah

I see you changed your profile. Guess you decided that "showing the evolutionists the truth" thing didn't look all that appealing on second thought? If I went to a Christian board with the intent of "showing the Christians the truth," do you think I'd be able to claim to be open-minded enough to go there?