emphryio

To Sammi
That seemed like an unnessarily rude reply. I wasn't implying anything derrogatory towards you. Just saying I didn't feel like currently discussing it further.

Also you apparently didn't do a very good job of reading my post.

I presented two different very generalized concepts about how the brain might work. The first might possibly go against the concept of accumulation.

The second doesn't. And you only quoted the second and then apparently associated it with the first. (Rather sloppy reading on your part.)

(You may now feel offended.)

Mr. Sammi

I resign,

I will not be posting any further to this thread.

Sammi Na Boodie ()

Mr. Sammi

1 last word,

I wanted anyone concerned, to notice how time is experienced in our realm. In the July 10th post, I stated one must endure the dispensing before the accumulating begins, except in dual state or N-state transitions.

This implies completing state transitions, before the next set of state transitions can occur. We must necessarily wait for states to change, endure the change of states. In QM this means waiting for the necessary states to become coherent.

A small example concerning the last post of TRON, who had to dispense the telephone number from his head before it could have been accumulated on the paper. This is one case where dispensing did not imply disposession, an implication of intrinsic retention, BUT, dispensing through a memory.

Neatly losing electons to another is true dispossession albeit dispensing.

emphryio, I dismissed the first part because it goes against all human experience and in such it was truly dispensed into the trash basket.

Sammi Na Boodie ()

tronvillain

Sammi:
So, in other words it is not true that "for each thing accumulated there was the very same thing which was disposessed elsewhere." Such a principle might apply to concrete objects, but it does no necessarily apply to abstract concepts like information.

I assume this was supposed to have something to do with the previous paragraph, but exactly how is difficult to discern. Something to do with metabolism and memory perhaps?

Mr. Sammi

TRON, but, it is true that "for everything accumulated someplace, the very same thing had to have been dispensed somewhere else".

You are correct in noting the difference between physical dispensing and mental dispensing as the difference between disposessing and creating a copy. Cell division, which creates an exact copy of the original (however original) seems to be the most extreme combination of the two cases of physical dispensing and mental dispensing. I may have to be corrected here, as there seems to be no mental dispensing in cell division (perhaps the original prototype of mental dispensing), and no evidence of physical dispensing. A sort of weird combination of the two.

Sammi Na Boodie ()
Ps. you seem more plesant today, I understand, we all pass through bad phases.

Keith Russell

Greetings:

I am having difficulty believing that we are--essentially--arguing whether or not something can be copied...

When I write a phone number down on a piece of paper, I've basically made a copy. Now, the number can be read--and memorized--by someone else, without the number vanishing from my own memory.

(It seems a bit odd to feel that I have to make this point...)

Keith.

Mr. Sammi

Keith,

With copying, the information is accumulated at its new home, implying it was dispensed, from elsewhere. Copying is still elementally dispensing and accumulating. Now I feel weird making this so crystal clear.

If copying seems an easy target for you, do you care to explain : cell division in the simple terms of accumulation and dispensing where disposession can arise from dispensing.

Sammi Na Boodie (in earnest)

tronvillain

Do you or do you not admit that something can be copied, such as a phone number, without the original disappearing? If you do, then the rest of what you have to say can go hang, since none of it is new or interesting.

Mr. Sammi

TRON, your points are examplary of your intelligence. Very good, very good...

In relation to the newness of what I write, where have you read or seen what I am writing before this thread?

What may not be interesting to you cannot be applied to everyone. You cannot speak for all.

If you read what I had written, I made my position clear on the subject. The answer is already given. Think of the differences between dispensing and disposession.

Sammi Na Boodie ()

Mr. Sammi

To complicate matters even more, or as my daughters might say, to make things even more interesting, I wanted to show some sources of accumulation.

(1) Accumulation can occur due to the disposession (taking from) of what is accumulated by the accumulator. Accumulator actively takes from other source what is being accumulated.

(2) Accumulation can occur due to the dispensing (giving away) of the accumulated by not-accumulator. Accumulator is given from some other source what accumulator accumulates.

Accumulator can also find what it accumulates, but this seems a sort of gift and may as well exist as accumulation type (2).

Does anyone have any ideas on what may be more natural as the "intent" which accompanies accumulating. Is it "taking it" OR "having it given" OR to a smaller extent "finding it"?

Sammi Na Boodie ()