York

spaz has my sentiment exactly there, and it turns out the comeback was godless dave and not tomboymom lol.

btw how are the bible and koran racist to? i read mathew, mark, luke, john, psalms and proverbs. they seemed pretty nice. some of the psalms and proverbs are a little out in space for me to comprehend but hey were ok in general.

i also read from genisis to exodus. thats pretty much when the bible fell out of disfavour with me. mosses and arron are liars and scumbags. when some of the chosen people were grumbling about where mosses was taking them he went and told his hardcore followers that god said we should kill them while they sleep.

yeah right

Spaz

I haven't read the Koran, so I can't comment on anything but what I've heard, and although some of it is probably propaganda because of 9-11, it seems just as bad as the rest. The new testament sounds nice doesn't it? lol, but the underlying message is still that believers are better than unbelievers, and that the unbelievers are horrible sinners that need to go to hell. That's why I don't like all religions, as with nationalities they simply divide people over the stupidest things. Somebody makes up a religion that says they're better than other people and then suddenly they're different from every other Homo sapiens sapiens out there. That's why even though I disagree with the nazis and other people that killed jews and agree with tomboymom on that I felt that she got a little too pissed off and acted as if there was a real difference between gentiles and jews, and people thinking that was what caused the whole problem in the first place.

livius drusus

York, this forum is called General Religious Discussions. In it, one discusses religion. Holocaust revisionism does not qualify. If you really want to try to make an argument that the mass-extermination of Jews and other untermenschen in WW2 never happened, then feel free to start a thread in the Political Discussions forum. I doubt you are prepared for such a battle, frankly, but you're welcome to it.

Now, you claiming the likes of David Duke as a source, bringing up Holocaust revisionism pretty much out of nowhere, and then going on to present various cobweb-strewn stereotypes of jews as "innocent questions" casts serious doubt on the investigative intent of your OP. Even if you are on a genuine wide-eyed search for knowledge instead of seeking to promote a viewpoint you already hold under this flimsy guise of socratic discourse, you are still required to stick to the topic you started.

That means, just to be explicit: Talmud exegesis (including comparisons to scriptures of other religions), yes. The crematoria were just used for the weekly Auschwitz pizza night, no.

Thank you,
livius drusus
Moderator - GRD

York

i have little bits and pieces of a puzzle. call me gentile racist or whatever you want. jsut please remember to actualy say sometihng i can read up on and learn from. is that too much to ask for.

i dont plan on defending anything i dont know enough of. i basically spilled my beans about what i came across the last couple weeks.

i will take the talmud defence links and go ask some questions to the people on the"racist" site i visit. that will be enough for now i guees since nothing else was given.

thanks to all for the various kinds of input offered me.

Godless Dave

York, the reason people haven't responded to this yet is because we learned most of this in high school history classes. So unlike, say, evolution or Biblical criticism we don't have a list of Holocaust websites handy. If you want to discuss the Holocaust and the Nazi era I suggest opening a thread in Political Discussions. But if you want stuff to read a web search would help, and a trip to the local library would help even more. In the meantime I'll try to search up some stuff.

Gurdur

Not as stupid as blaming the Jews for 1,500 years of vicious antisemitism.
Actually, almost every single culture has thought of itself as the "best" culture. The Jews are nothing special in that.
York isn't exactly asking; he's more promoting.
LiviusDrusus has already given the link to prove that.
And you're mischaracterizing TomboyMom. She basically said that such racism needs to be challenged, and not allowed to go on unchecked.
Oh puh-lleeeeeze.
I also have a very "Us vs. Them" mentality when it comes to combating racism.
I do not tolerate racism of any kind.
And LiviusDrusus has already supplied you with the link to prove your view of York wrong.

Spaz

No shit, I didn't blame them for a damn thing.

No shit, I didn't say they were, I said that in reality nobody is.

Well I guess it's a good thing I posted this way before he showed that link

I saw suppressed, and took that to mean hide from people's view, and said that they should be refuted, not hidden. If she meant they should be refuted or shown to be false then we agree.

That's nice. Her constant reference to gentiles, which is everything except jews, is stupid because it's such a huge group, anti-semitic people like the nazis, some other christians, some muslims and some other people that just don't like jews are the ones responsible not everybody that's not a jew.

After I posted this, and now I see that.

What was the point of your post?

livius drusus

I have copied the posts on Holocaust revisionism to PD. Please continue that branch of the dicussion in the new thread and limit this one to the Talmud.

Thank you,
livius drusus
Moderator - MD