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tronvillain · 12-01-2002, 06:41 PM

Diatoms to Dinosaurs really is a fascinating book.

Claudia · 12-02-2002, 06:52 AM

No, it ia hardly controversial that apes have the equivalent of smiles and laughs. So why do people here discuss of the non existent anatomic differences which explain non existent differences in facial expression?

Also I was looking for recent readings, as I have often seen people ask" can you provide more recent references", "interpretation has changed since..."

Beside, I was wrong in my reference, it was "Aux origiens de l'humanit�" under the direction of Pascal Picq and Yves Coppens. (Tome 2 was right, though

) 2 thick books of vulgarisation on human evolution, each chapter written by a specialist (with sometimes strange ideas on what is vulgarisation... got extensive description of evolution of teeth shape, with specialised vocabulary

).

Jan Haugland · 12-02-2002, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Grumpy:
Humans may have "better" faces, but there are times I'd rather have a chimp's exquisite arm musculature, making it pound-for-pound much stronger than a human (but incapable of throwing overhand, IIRC).

So chimps have a problem playing cricket, then. I should have known they weren't civilised...

Oolon Colluphid · 12-02-2002, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Jan Haugland:

So chimps have a problem playing cricket, then. I should have known they weren't civilised...

On the contrary. It just means they're English...

DT

MrDarwin · 12-03-2002, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by Darwin's Terrier:
I was about to reply with �Would you care to point out a single muscle or nerve that�s present in the human face that is not present in chimpanzees?�, basing this on something I�ve heard Mr Darwin say more than once (there being no protein, bone, muscle etc that we don�t share). But before I post that, can anyone briefly confirm that this is true?

DT, this is something I always pose as a challenge, not a claim. I generally ask for a single example of a gene, organ, bone, biochemical pathway, etc. that is found in chimps but not humans, or vice versa. I know of none, but I wouldn't be surprised if we find a few if we look hard, especially when we start comparing genes directly.

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12-01-2002, 06:41 PM	#21
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Diatoms to Dinosaurs really is a fascinating book.

12-02-2002, 06:52 AM	#22
Claudia Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: France Posts: 715	No, it ia hardly controversial that apes have the equivalent of smiles and laughs. So why do people here discuss of the non existent anatomic differences which explain non existent differences in facial expression? Also I was looking for recent readings, as I have often seen people ask" can you provide more recent references", "interpretation has changed since..." Beside, I was wrong in my reference, it was "Aux origiens de l'humanit�" under the direction of Pascal Picq and Yves Coppens. (Tome 2 was right, though ) 2 thick books of vulgarisation on human evolution, each chapter written by a specialist (with sometimes strange ideas on what is vulgarisation... got extensive description of evolution of teeth shape, with specialised vocabulary ).

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