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Old 06-07-2002, 07:11 PM   #21
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<strong>Perhaps, the chain of evolution could have led to tool using organisms with tentacles, who are spherical beings surrounded by tentacles? There are ways around the phalanges and bipedalism. </strong>
Why not both? Ia! Cthulhu ftaghn!

But seriously, I don't think there are any examples of animals with that kind of radial symmetry developing anything resembling a neocortex--are there?

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There are also ways around intelligence. Intelligence just happened to work. Transmutations and circumstances led to us but it is a good thing we do not have to depend on that anymore now that we have a brain that can rewire and adapt to its surroundings. We also have a great intellectual tradition as a result of it.
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I wonder if, at this stage of human evolution, things like building structures as shelter (as opposed to seeking out caves) and symbolism (in at least the simplest form of scratching out pictures or daubing pigments on walls) are part of our "extended phenotype". In other words, if you could perform the highly unethical experiment of raising children to the age of, say, twelve, without allowing any form of cultural transmission whatsoever, and then strand them on an island (or an isolated river valley that floods once a year in the spring), would they eventually construct dwellings and develop language and writing or at least pictorial representation?

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Also, of course intelligent tool-making conscious organisms are not an inevitable necessity. It took 3.5 billion years and then finally us. If it was such a necessity, why didn't it do it before?
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I certainly don't believe that consciousness or intelligence as we know it is inevitable, but I wonder if, after it arises after a godzillion throws of the dice, it will stick. Would my hypothetical savage stranded children, through their generations, recapitulate the palaeolithic and neolithic stages and eventually emerge into what we would regard as a civilization? Or would they live more like chimps and bonobos, possibly developing physical features to suit a simpler lifestyle--fur, enlarged canines, possibly even prehensile toes?

Anyone ever read Sturgeon's story Microcosmic God? This fella creates an accelerated evolution chamber and speed-evolves an intelligent race that regards him as a god. He has them develop all kinds of nifty technology for him.

Hmmmmm. Do ya think...? Nah, couldn't be.

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Another thing in mind: evolution did not prepare us for nuclear warfare. Evolution didn't completely prepare us for our complex politico-socio-economic systems. Maybe intelligence isn't such a good thing after all? Someone just needs to push the button and intelligence just turned out to be an evolutionary disadvantage!
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Yeh. Someone, I forget who, theorized that eventually intelligent species would develop the ability to destroy themselves by constructing nuclear weapons or creating a black hole in a particle accelerator and that's all she wrote folks, which is why we haven't encountered our galactic peers: they've already pushed the button. Think I read that on abcnews.com....

Bleak thought for the day!

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