Paradisedreams2

Amos...

The "thousand year reign" is a similitude for a "day" that day IS the cross.

Getting what it "means" across is difficult because it "double speaks". It points to "something" as either a day but is AS a thousand years... Connect the dots sort of thing to see the full picture of something "in itself" does not tell you what, if your interested follow it through if not don't pursue it

I just love a good mystery

Amos

"A day is a cross?" and "A day is like a thousand years?" If that is fundy theology it will remain a mystery.

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Paradisedreams2

When it says anything like "in that day". What day? The "day" the Lord has made. Its saying theres a "day" the Old testament is looking to prophesying toward the day of the cross.

The old testament tells you in (Hosea and elsewhere) that God speaks in "similitudes". If your interested in it read it THAT way if not don't read it at all. I find it truly fascinating

P.S Fundie theology is taking the scriptures "literally" if they were... Sad fact that there is nowhere to validate that type of approach. If the book says, "I speak in similitudes" and you believe it you should read it that way. A similitude is a "likeness" but its solid form is an immitation. Therefore fundies understanding can easily enrage the heart of any man who hears such things as "God IS love" but He'll fry your ass... Total contradiction and "obvious" to anyone with half a heart or brain to reject such a notion. Fundamentalists take the literal interpretation, I can't be a fundie

No moral beating stick in my hand, only a cigarette.

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Amos

Are you a smoker? So am I.

I actually never read the bible and never did read the OT. But if you are happy with where you are that is good for you. I like my way better.

Paradisedreams2

Yep I'm a smoker, can't quit to save my life and hate the "morning mouth" but enjoy the habit lol!

I'm fine where I am and you are fine where you are. No need to dive into a book to know anything at all unless you want to. Just posting my post and going on my way

HelenM

Kosh the Secular Web seems like a funny place to ask what a Bible verse means...(not because peoples' opinions here aren't valid or helpful, but because aren't they going to say "who cares?")

Anyway I always thought that was another way of the author saying God knows the future before it's happened (in our time). I.e. he knows it as well as if it had already happened.

In Isaiah there's a verse saying "I know the end from the beginning" which I'd say is a similar thought; in Psalm 139 it says "You knew all my days before any of them came to be" (I think).

I'm not sure what will be added by a 'scholarly consensus'. What are you looking for, Kosh? Why are you asking about this particular verse, out of the whole Bible?

love
Helen

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Amos

Helen

Please, use simple logic. The Reign of God is already in our midst and the Reign of God is the Thousand Year Reign. If we have sight of this reign we have sight of the thousand years of this verse which will be as fresh for us as our memories of yesterday. How do we get sight of this thousand year reign? A Beatific Vision is required.

Kosh

You think I have a hidden agenda in asking it?

Psychobable theories aside, I still haven't seen
anyone actually address the issue here.

WHat I'm interested in is if indeed, biblical
scholars consider the Psalm passage to be support
for the "a day is like thousand years to God"
claims of 2 Peter. When I read it, it's not
obvious. I would never have gotten that concept
from reading the Psalms verse.

Just something I wanted to clarify after some
banter with Bait over the age of the earth thing.

Amos

Does that make reference to mine? What is so phychobable about that?

What makes you think scholars know? Because they are scholars who don't know and therefore must study the bible?

NOGO

What is simple logic to some is totally illogical to others. I don't see any 1000 year reign of God neither in the bible nor in our midst. Here's a challenge: show me LOGICALLY how you can arrive at such a conclusion. I hope that you are joking.

I am with Helen on this one. What gives it away is the "once it is past". Why does the day need to be past? For us humans when it is past it all becomes known and obvious. So 1000 years in the future to God is as clear as yesterday to humans.

I did think about the "2 Peter" connection.

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