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well, i did feel like deja vu once i mean i felt the same sensation when i did a little play of my own invention. i took a random book from my collection, i opened it at a random page and read that page three times to be sure i will remember it....then i wondered where i would be the next time i would read it. after many months, and forgeting about it i took that book and read the hole thing....whe i got to the page ....bingo......deja vu....only this time was real.....
and where was i?

in another town, in the olympics lot for music (which i didn't quite dare to hope for).


it felt pretty nice. try it

Wounded King

Now Jamais vu is more interesting, do you think it is related to cases such as the ones Oliver Sachs has documented concerning people who suddenly find certain commonplace things and people seeming completely alien to them?

Giorgia

This used to happen to me more frequently as a teenager and in my twenties: I'd wake up from a dream and realize that I had just had "one of those" dreams -- not a regular, random dream, but a very detailed dream, like a documentary segment.

What made it remarkably different from an "ordinary" dream was that I could review the dream after I awoke, and distinctly note that the people in it were unknown to me, the action taking place in the dream was one in which I had never participated, and the location was also completely unfamiliar to me.

Then, usually three or four years later, the exact scene I had dreamt would happen. The first time I found myself "living" a past dream, I was about 22, and I remember that the dream had occurred at about age 19. It was chilling, sitting there in a completely new situation, knowing exactly what was going to happen for the next minute or two.

After that, I made an effort to write down when I had "one of those" dreams, so that it would be documented when/if I wound up "living" the dream, and it has occurred at least three more times.

I don't have the slightest clue how any of this is possible. I've asked research psychologists, and they were also stumped. Any ideas?

Seraphim

Deja-Vu? Oh yeah ... had (and still having) a few of those.

In regular dreams, I usually just dream them without any emotions, like watching a movie on TV, you don't interact with what going on or feel whatever else.

In a Deja vu dream however, I can feel myself inside a dream, I can view my own emotions (sad, angry, upset etc) like what I'm feeling at that moment in the dream. And by feeling this emotions, I could "feel" the past of myself which going to happen to me.

When I woke up, I will usually remember it clearly, including the emotions which my "other" self had in my dream and when deja vu did happen, it usually right on the money. In my 32 years of mortal life (this one), I only managed to change my own future twice through this dream.

Once when I was little, about 12 or something and I had a dream where I said a wrong thing to a girl and she end up upset with me for weeks (which what I felt in my dream). I woke up remembering it and a few days later, the same scene happened in really life. I almost say the same stupid words I say in my dream but somehow, I kept my mouth shut and came out unscratched.

Same things happened to me when I was about 22 years old. I dreamt a "friend" of mine (a backstabber) asked me a question in front of some girls and due to my answer, he made fun of me and I end up being humiliated. A few days later, same scene happened and I didn't know what was the question, but when he poped it, I simply reply that I didn't know the answer. He did laught at me but the girls didn't so I wasn't fully humiliated.

Oh well ... I found this topic interesting so I just shoot my mouth. Sorry for barging in.

Oh yeah ... anyone tried to change their future (beside me of course) by dreams?

Anyone have any theory about how a person could view his future and an event which haven't occured as his past?

The term "Multiverse" do come to my mind ... but then again, an existence of another me is a bit too far-fetched even for me.

Wounded King

Do you have any external record of these dreams, notes in a diary or people that you related the dreams to? Otherwise it is hard to rule out the idea that your mind is simply playing tricks on you.

What you seem to be describing is precognition rather than deja vu, a much more dubious phenomenon.

Seraphim

by Wounded King

Do you have any external record of these dreams, notes in a diary or people that you related the dreams to? Otherwise it is hard to rule out the idea that your mind is simply playing tricks on you.

I used to have it last time, some ... 15 years ago. I did notice a lot of things which I witnessed in my dreams did come true, so I did wrote it down.

But in those times, my mind wasn't sharp enough to be controlled and I couldn't view the dreams like I could nowadays, so when I witness simple dreams and wrote down, it didn't come true (since they are simple dreams) and I felt some what dissappointed and stop writing.

Hmm ... Maybe I should start writing again ... since I could focus my mind easily now (due to meditation).

What you seem to be describing is precognition rather than deja vu, a much more dubious phenomenon.

I don't understand the difference ... explain please.

I thought the deja vu is related to something say in dreams or maybe some sort of relapse in memory. Or a glintch in the Matrix, if you will.

Wounded King

Deja vu is indeed the uncanny feeling that you have seen or experienced something before in exactly the same way. Precognition, in dreams in your example, actually requires an accurate prediction of events in the future which the subject could not possibly make from available information.

One is an example of an interesting phenomenon probably related to the way memory works, the other is deep into the realm of the paranormal.

Seraphim

by Wounded King

Deja vu is indeed the uncanny feeling that you have seen or experienced something before in exactly the same way.

Hmmm ... if you put it that way, I guess I could say I never had Deja Vu because I never seen the same thing happen twice ... YET. (Oops ... I'm in a wrong thread ...)

Precognition, in dreams in your example, actually requires an accurate prediction of events in the future which the subject could not possibly make from available information.

Sounds like what I had. I'd witness events where I was a person who was in that scene - I had emotions (could feel some of it as well), can feel my surroundings and in some dreams, can actually touch another person (in dreams, your touch don't feel anything) and the touch is like something ... fuzzy. Like you put your hand over a boiling water and the stream rises up to meet your hand before your hand a few inches away from the water. In all sense ... I was another person ... no other way to describe it.

But one thing is true ... no way I could have possibly imagine it all. The feeling of the wind blowing at us, sound of cars and other vehicles, the facial expressions of people in my dream. All this is out of my control and I couldn't possibly duplicate it in real-life.

Oh yeah ... anyone here played a game called Final Fantasy 8? In that game, there was a scene where the hero (Squall) and 2 others were send through time into another three people and from there, they witness the past. They didn't touch or do anything, they just ... felt things as the other three in the past went through the daily business. My dreams seems to be very familiar to that ... (hmmm ... at least a friend of mine will be happy to hear about it).

One is an example of an interesting phenomenon probably related to the way memory works, the other is deep into the realm of the paranormal.

Well ... one thing for sure. IF we talk about either one, it will take forever and it will be off topic.

Giorgia

On one of those occasions, I went home from work and told my totally skeptical boyfriend what had happened, and read him my notes about "seeing" that day's events in a dream years before, and he (being a university physics professor) put me in touch with the research psychologists I mentioned in my previous post.
If you would be interested, I'd be happy to send you all of the details in an e-mail. Just PM your inquiry. I am, personally, quite disconcerted that the only explanation of these events seems to be paranormal.

I've read a good deal of both hard science fiction and speculative science fact articles, and I'm aware of the "split-time-lines" theory of multiple universes, etc. However, I became so uncomfortable with the implications of what others perceived to be my "psychic" abilities, that I trained myself to wake up if I started having "one of those" dreams. I haven't actually thought about this in well over a decade.

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Time does not exist; it's all a circle, feeding upon it's own tail, like the World Serpent. Deja vu is when Mankind breaks through it's own artificial sense of Time, and recaptures the Timelessness that is God.