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Alex Moon · 10-23-2002, 03:03 PM

A group on campus is holding a lecture on end times prophesies in the Book of Revelation, and they claim evidence that even atheists can't deny! (or so their signs claim)

Anywho, I'm considering going because I won't be doing anything that night, and would like some help in figureing out questions to ask that will challenge their fairy tales. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Mageth · 10-23-2002, 03:13 PM

You might start in hte SecWeb Libary. <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/christianity/prophecy.shtml" target="_blank">Here</a> is a page including several articles on prophecy.

Peter Kirby · 10-23-2002, 03:21 PM

For some scholarly resources on Revelation and the history of "the end of the world is nigh" proclamations, see this page:

<a href="http://clawww.lmu.edu/faculty/fjust/Revelation.htm" target="_blank">http://clawww.lmu.edu/faculty/fjust/Revelation.htm</a>

best,
Peter Kirby

Yellum Notnef · 10-23-2002, 04:03 PM

Please report back and fill us in on this evidence we supposably can`t deny.

Kosh · 10-23-2002, 04:15 PM

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000501&p=" target="_blank">Happy Hunting</a>

Tercel · 10-23-2002, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Alex Moon:
A group on campus is holding a lecture on end times prophesies in the Book of Revelation,

Ah, the fun of literalism eh?

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and they claim evidence that even atheists can't deny! (or so their signs claim)

Hmm, I'm pretty good at denying stuff and even I don't have the talent for denying the blatently obvious quite to the extent that some of the atheists here I've seen doing their work. They're quite impressive really.
Can you toddle along to the Christian's meeting and tell me some of this undeniable evidence so I can deny it?

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Anywho, I'm considering going because I won't be doing anything that night, and would like some help in figureing out questions to ask that will challenge their fairy tales. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Well I'm wondering why you'd want to challenge their fairy tales. Do you go round kindergartons telling the 4 year olds that santa isn't real? I should hope not. So what precisely is the motive here? If it makes them happy to believe what you think are fairy tales, why do you feel the urgent need to burst their bubble more than you would for santa-believers? Or are you simply insecure in your own unbelief, or unable to understand why people might legitimately believe something different to you, or do you feel threatened by people who are different to you, or do you think you've got to "get them" before they "get you", or are you just feeling spiteful?

You asked for thoughts, well mine would be: What the hell are your motives here? Why not leave the baby with the candy? I suggest if you're genuinely curious in hearing what they've got to say then you go along and listen. If not - well going along soley for the purpose of annoying your fellow man isn't very nice is it? What does that say about yourself and what sort of a view of Atheists does that present to the world - the real one?

Alex Moon · 10-23-2002, 08:27 PM

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<strong>Well I'm wondering why you'd want to challenge their fairy tales. Do you go round kindergartons telling the 4 year olds that santa isn't real? I should hope not. So what precisely is the motive here? If it makes them happy to believe what you think are fairy tales, why do you feel the urgent need to burst their bubble more than you would for santa-believers? Or are you simply insecure in your own unbelief, or unable to understand why people might legitimately believe something different to you, or do you feel threatened by people who are different to you, or do you think you've got to "get them" before they "get you", or are you just feeling spiteful?

You asked for thoughts, well mine would be: What the hell are your motives here? Why not leave the baby with the candy? I suggest if you're genuinely curious in hearing what they've got to say then you go along and listen. If not - well going along soley for the purpose of annoying your fellow man isn't very nice is it? What does that say about yourself and what sort of a view of Atheists does that present to the world - the real one?</strong>

I guess I should have phrased things better. I am curious about what their arguments are. However, if the chance comes to ask a question, I would like it to be an intelligent one that maybe makes the audience think.

As for letting people have their "candy", when I'm around people who are spouting off beliefs that are insulting to me, then I don't like sitting quiet, which too often I have too. For example, recently I was at a club here on campus, and a girl there started talking about how horrible America was and how all US military personell were as bad as Nazis Stormtroopers. Coming from a family with a fairly strong military background, I was angry at what she said, however I kept quiet. The sign they had posted today was very similar in tone to the girl's, and so I took it a little harsher than I should have.

Devilnaut · 10-23-2002, 08:36 PM

Tercel:

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Well I'm wondering why you'd want to challenge their fairy tales. Do you go round kindergartons telling the 4 year olds that santa isn't real? I should hope not. So what precisely is the motive here?

Well, it's not as if they are just minding their own business. They are holding a lecture on the campus of a University in an effort to convince others of the literal truth of these fairy tales.

Toto · 10-23-2002, 09:12 PM

They are not babies with candy. They are adults with the right to vote and own firearms. Some of them might go on to be Attorney General or hold high positions in the American government and be in a position to help the end times along, or risk nuclear war over Israel because of some nonsense in Revelations.

Besides, they are not sitting quietly in the playpen with their candy, they have issued a challenge.

Jobar · 10-24-2002, 05:28 AM

Frankly, if I saw a baby eating candy that I knew was highly addictive and brain damaging, I'd try to take it away from them.

But we aren't talking about babies here are we? Nor about candy. We are talking about adults, and about lies. Addicting and brain damaging lies, true enough...

[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: Jobar ]</p>

10-23-2002, 03:03 PM	#1
Alex Moon Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 46	Need input immediately! A group on campus is holding a lecture on end times prophesies in the Book of Revelation, and they claim evidence that even atheists can't deny! (or so their signs claim) Anywho, I'm considering going because I won't be doing anything that night, and would like some help in figureing out questions to ask that will challenge their fairy tales. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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10-23-2002, 03:13 PM	#2
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	You might start in hte SecWeb Libary. <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/christianity/prophecy.shtml" target="_blank">Here</a> is a page including several articles on prophecy.

10-23-2002, 03:21 PM	#3
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	For some scholarly resources on Revelation and the history of "the end of the world is nigh" proclamations, see this page: <a href="http://clawww.lmu.edu/faculty/fjust/Revelation.htm" target="_blank">http://clawww.lmu.edu/faculty/fjust/Revelation.htm</a> best, Peter Kirby

10-23-2002, 04:03 PM	#4
Yellum Notnef Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 4,676	Please report back and fill us in on this evidence we supposably can`t deny.

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Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000501&p=" target="_blank">Happy Hunting</a>

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	They are not babies with candy. They are adults with the right to vote and own firearms. Some of them might go on to be Attorney General or hold high positions in the American government and be in a position to help the end times along, or risk nuclear war over Israel because of some nonsense in Revelations. Besides, they are not sitting quietly in the playpen with their candy, they have issued a challenge.

10-24-2002, 05:28 AM	#10
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Frankly, if I saw a baby eating candy that I knew was highly addictive and brain damaging, I'd try to take it away from them. But we aren't talking about babies here are we? Nor about candy. We are talking about adults, and about lies. Addicting and brain damaging lies, true enough... [ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: Jobar ]</p>

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