Starspun

People that use the God arguement provide the definition of God.
People that attempt to refute their evidence can only use the definition provided in the arguement.
My refutation was on the (hypothetical) claim that god, by definition, was omnipotent.
Where they get the god info., your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps the bible or some other religious documents.

Starspun

That is my point. Energy can not exist without it's 'laws'. The 'laws' of energy would not exist without energy. We agree on this point.
Energy and it's laws are one in the same.

Again, there would be no creation. A universe is not a separate entity from energy. Energy is the universe. Energies convert to form the physical properties of itself that we can see, measure, and manipulate. In your example, energy is not created, it goes through it's infinite dance of conversion.

This would be possible if energy was subservient to a higher law. I don't think this is possible due to the nature of energy in all it's forms. Energy is everything in existence (life, matter, universe, etc), so what could dictate to energy how it will react to it's own existence.