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Old 03-07-2003, 01:02 PM   #31
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Hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles have low emissions and energy use on the road, but converting a hydrocarbon fuel such as natural gas or gasoline into hydrogen to fuel such vehicles uses substantial energy and emits greenhouse gases, the study said.
Who said we had to use hydrocarbons for the source of hydrogen? It seems to me the best place to get hydrogen is from water. Put solar panels and/or windmills near or on the ocean, and you can use the energy from them to split water into hydrogen and oxygen with zero emissions.
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I think it's a big advantage because you black-box the source of your hydrogen. You can take a coal power plant and swap a nuclear plant onto the grid its place without having to change all the infrastructure that runs your car. When you find a better way of producing hydrogen from electricity, you can swap that out. Right now there's a monolythic unreplaceable chain from well to car that only handle's oil. If we switch to hydrogen, we can do it correctly and make a supply train that can be upgraded more easily. That's the big promise, IMO.
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Who said we had to use hydrocarbons for the source of hydrogen? It seems to me the best place to get hydrogen is from water. Put solar panels and/or windmills near or on the ocean, and you can use the energy from them to split water into hydrogen and oxygen with zero emissions.
Um, why bother with the hydrogen as a storage device? Its basically a battery, and not a particularly good one at that. A fuel cell is about 30% efficient, but an electric motor is over 2/3 efficient, IIRC.

Electrolysis to break water isn't a particularly efficient process, and you'll have to expend a boatload of energy to compress the hydrogen sufficiently that it can be transported somewhere in an efficient manner.

Rather than hoping for some eventual water-cracking process to appear, why not use the solar and wind-powered electrical plants to charge batteries? I have a lot more hope that an efficient battery can be invented, than I do that all the other bits of the water----->fuel cell process can work well.
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