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The Lone Ranger · 01-06-2003, 07:26 PM

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But she also has no doubt that the racist legacies of Darwinian thinking have played a big role in the way that this community�s problems have been tolerated for so long with so little concern by the rest of Australia.

There are times when you wonder if these people can possibly be serious.

It's not as if plenty of people haven't used the Bible to justify slavery and racism, both in the past and even today. When I was a living in North Carolina, I met plenty of bigots who unashamedly claimed that the Bible insisted that "Niggers" bore the "Curse of Ham," and that it was therefore perfectly proper to discriminate against them.

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Few issues have exposed the moral and social fault lines of the United States more than slavery and its abiding legacy, racism. For most of American history organized religions have failed to meet this two-fold challenge. . . . At a time when some politicians proffer faith as the value-based institutional framework that can cure other social ills, it is vital to examine this record. In nineteenth century America, Genesis 9 and 10 constituted the proof text for slavery and racism, notoriously the Curse of Ham. . . . It was only when Scripture lost authority that it became possible to conceive a world without slavery.

-- From the official summary of a speech given at Boston College by Benjamin Braude, "The Abrahamic Attitudes toward Racism and Slavery. Is Religion Moral?"

Cheers,

Michael

Colander of Truth · 01-06-2003, 07:48 PM

"She rejects evolutionary notions of the descent of man and the logical racism that leads to, but believes, on the basis of the true history of man in the Bible, that we are all �one blood�."

Logical?

I don't quite understand how the concept of CHOSEN PEOPLE is more egalitarian than common descent.

But than again I'm not that logical ....

RufusAtticus · 01-06-2003, 08:49 PM

Is this what passes for the forefront of Creationist Thinking?

"Newspaper writes an article about the daughter of AiG cofounder."

From an organization that holds itself up as a pinicale of Creation Science, I'd expect news something like:

"New study shows that dogs and pine trees belong to different kinds."

monkenstick · 01-06-2003, 09:33 PM

aaaaarrgh

she's in my state

I'm beginning to see the logic behind making medicine post-grad entry here in queensland - at least then most of the students have a good understanding of science because most of them do science degrees

she must have gone to medical school in another state, because I doubt a creationist mind-set could withstand a science degree

Xeluan · 01-07-2003, 03:50 AM

To me it is sort of a conundrum. What Lara Wieland is doing is quite noble and important and she should be congratulated for her efforts.

However, as pointed out by everyone else, her creationist views are not so worthy and cheapens some of what she does.

Anyway, I'm jealous that scigirl has an arch-nemesis. I've always wanted one myself.

I imagine a dark, stormy night. There would be a knock as the door. I would answer and standing before me would be my arch nemesis who would say "So Xeluan. We meet again! You thought I was dead! But I have returned to complete my nefarious plan! (cue diabolical laughter).

Then we'd have tea and biscuits.

Xeluan

GreggLD1 · 01-07-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Valentine Pontifex
Regrettably Jerome Bixby died before he could write this episode.

(Bixby wrote the Trek episode in question as well as the classic short story "It's a Good Life" which latter was made into a Twilight Zone episode staring Bill Mumy.)

Oh well... I supose Harlan Ellison will be available right after he publishes Final Dangerous Visions. ;-)

Isn't David Gerrold ("The Trouble With Tribbles") available?

Gregg

Valentine Pontifex · 01-07-2003, 11:19 AM

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Regrettably Jerome Bixby died before he could write this episode.

(Bixby wrote the Trek episode in question as well as the classic short story "It's a Good Life" which latter was made into a Twilight Zone episode staring Bill Mumy.)

Oh well... I supose Harlan Ellison will be available right after he publishes Final Dangerous Visions. ;-)

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Isn't David Gerrold ("The Trouble With Tribbles") available?

Yes he is still around. And he would be a better choice since he might actually get around writing it. (SF fans know that when I said Ellison will be available after FDV is published, I am really saying he will be available after Hell freezes over, Kent Hovind converts to evolution, Kent Hovind wins 3 Nobel Prizes, and 20 more years pass.)

In the mid-1990s he won both the Hugo and the Nebula for Best Novelette for "The Martian Child" which was really quite good. The story was really more of a mainstream story than the name would suggest.

(For non-SF fans: the Hugo and Nebula are THE two big awards for science fiction and fantasy. The Hugo is voted on by the membership of the World Science Fiction Convention (worldcon) i.e. by science fiction fandom and the Nebula is voted on members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of Amerca (SFWA).)

Mike Rosoft · 01-10-2003, 08:03 AM

>Perhaps this is what scigirl is like in that 'mirror-universe' like in that Star Trek episode.

Mirror universe ... are you sure you don't mean Red Dwarf?

Mike Rosoft

KnightWhoSaysNi · 01-10-2003, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by Mike Rosoft

Mirror universe ... are you sure you don't mean Red Dwarf?

Nope

Valentine Pontifex · 01-10-2003, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Mike Rosoft
>Perhaps this is what scigirl is like in that 'mirror-universe' like in that Star Trek episode.

Mirror universe ... are you sure you don't mean Red Dwarf?

You did not think that Red Dwarf invented the concept of parallel worlds/universes?

It was old when first Star Trek series did it in its second season twenty years or so before RD.

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Mike Rosoft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 965	Nitpick >Perhaps this is what scigirl is like in that 'mirror-universe' like in that Star Trek episode. Mirror universe ... are you sure you don't mean Red Dwarf? Mike Rosoft

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Colander of Truth Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sri Dunka .... Donut: Cruller w/Jimmies Posts: 2,710	"She rejects evolutionary notions of the descent of man and the logical racism that leads to, but believes, on the basis of the true history of man in the Bible, that we are all �one blood�." Logical? I don't quite understand how the concept of CHOSEN PEOPLE is more egalitarian than common descent. But than again I'm not that logical ....

01-06-2003, 08:49 PM	#13
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Is this what passes for the forefront of Creationist Thinking? "Newspaper writes an article about the daughter of AiG cofounder." From an organization that holds itself up as a pinicale of Creation Science, I'd expect news something like: "New study shows that dogs and pine trees belong to different kinds."

01-06-2003, 09:33 PM	#14
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	aaaaarrgh she's in my state I'm beginning to see the logic behind making medicine post-grad entry here in queensland - at least then most of the students have a good understanding of science because most of them do science degrees she must have gone to medical school in another state, because I doubt a creationist mind-set could withstand a science degree

01-07-2003, 03:50 AM	#15
Xeluan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Pub In East Gosford, Australia Posts: 831	To me it is sort of a conundrum. What Lara Wieland is doing is quite noble and important and she should be congratulated for her efforts. However, as pointed out by everyone else, her creationist views are not so worthy and cheapens some of what she does. Anyway, I'm jealous that scigirl has an arch-nemesis. I've always wanted one myself. I imagine a dark, stormy night. There would be a knock as the door. I would answer and standing before me would be my arch nemesis who would say "So Xeluan. We meet again! You thought I was dead! But I have returned to complete my nefarious plan! (cue diabolical laughter). Then we'd have tea and biscuits. Xeluan

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