Philosoft

We cannot help it if we are angry at someone and really want to kill them. Your logic is pathetic. Sexual feelings triumph over all else? Madness.

Pat Kelly

Philosoft – You must be a grandpa to have gotten so angry you now want to kill me. And I don’t even know you! Don't take things so personally.

While we are on the subject of killing allow me to say it is my opinion the real problem with our world today is we have too many people who are throwbacks to a less civilized species. If violence created the same level of revulsion in our society as those who happen to experience their sexuality differently, our society would take a big leap forward. But some have escaped the advances evolution has bestowed upon humanity and still see the world through angry, violent eyes. For them the world is a dangerous and threatening place not unlike the one first seen by those who initially landed on the jungle floor. Perhaps some’s anger can be attributed to back pain and the strain of walking upright.

Philosoft

You're nothing if not predictable, Pat. Sorry, old bean, this is as far as that bait is going to get you. I'm not biting. Good luck in your future confrontations with the law.

Pat Kelly

Thank-you. Actually I have done rather well in the courts and never lost a case including an action I once brought against Intel. I have nothing on the go right now but I always look forward to a winning another case. Did you have anything specific in mind?

HelenM

Whenever I see your username it reminds me how disgusted I am that a sane adult would try to defend sexual exploitation of children.

Most of us understand that it's not just 'force and violence' which are no-nos but coercion and manipulation of children - and children are easily coerced and manipulated by authority figures. It does not require force and violence to do so but that does not make it right.

There are lots of humans who don't want to have sex with children and who don't advocate it. To want it and advocate it is not 'inherently human' by any means.

Helen

Pat Kelly

It is wrong for anyone to force someone into sex against their will regardless of age. It is even more wrong when someone takes advantage of others through authority or other inequalities that produce an uneven playing field and again persuade someone into sex against their will. However, a substantial number of convicted sex offenders involve cases where the alleged victims sat on the defendant’s side of the courtroom and stated they did not see themselves as victims. Many have testified they were not in any way harmed by the sexual encounter and in fact were the ones who approached the adult for sex instead of the other way around. They have made a couple of movies about such events.

I think you have misunderstood what I said or attempted to read something into it that came from your mind and not mine. I do not advocate sex with children any more than I advocate homosexuality, heterosexuality or any other particular expression of human sexuality. Where you and I appear to differ is I do not condemn any nonviolent or unforced form of sex either, even if it happens to occasionally occur between adults and children.

My view of human sexuality sees it as much broader than the particular range of attractions and desires you or I may personally experience at particular stages in our lives. Inherently human cannot be logically defined as inherently Helen or inherently Pat or inherently anyone else even if they are in a majority. Humanity is much broader than you or I and it is only ignorance that presumes everyone is supposed to be the same. Even when it involves sex and those who find themselves sexually attracted to children.

HelenM

Movies aren't necessarily unbiased sources of information.

Maybe someone with your views made them to promote his/her agenda.

How about all the people who grew up traumatized and conflicted because of the confusion endengered in them as children when someone sexually exploited them? It's confusing and difficult precisely because they might not have hated everything about what happened and maybe in some ways they even sought it out. (Then they hated themselves for doing so)

Should we ignore what these people have to say? Have they all misattributed their problems, in fact? Are they all wrong to think that being sexually exploited as children was 'the problem'?

I didn't misunderstand. That's what I thought - that you advocate all sex and you do not condemn sex between adults and children when it is nonviolent and unforced. Even though it's known that children are vulnerable to manipulation and coercion by authority figures.

The law is not on your side, as others here have pointed out to you. And for good reason, in my opinion.

Helen

The Other Michael

Pat Kelly,

Perhaps you shouldn't take things so personally. Philosoft is obviously (to me at least) making an analogy using the form of your statement with the intent of showing some flaw in your argument (as was stated in the comment). Philosoft was not threatening you.

I'd like to issue a general reminder that everyone needs to remember the IIDB rules of behavior. Also, remember that there is the "report this post" button in each message area if anyone feels that someone is acting contrary to the IIDB behavior rules.

thanks,
Michael
MF&P Moderator (Maximus)

Loren Pechtel

I'll disagree about the age difference. I can't remember ever getting any criticism for the age difference between my wife and I. It's very unusual but nobody has criticized it, just been surprised.

Loren Pechtel

The ramifications of not understanding the implications of sex are far higher than not understanding the implications of scratching an itch.