Mageth

I'm not trying to mock you diana, ...

I agree with diana that your statement "Atheists are supposedly so profound and well thought out people" in the context it was used sure sounds that way. At least, you're guilty of a poor choice of words.

...but since i started here trying to carry out a civil debate - everyone has been rude and insulted me.

Patently not true. Try responding to the thoughtful opinions you've received rather than further poisoning the well.

Mageth

Well no i can't rule out any of them but since i believe in the Bible as absolute truth and have faith in God...

A bit of a contradictory statement, is it not? If you believe the bible is absolute truth, then you believe that the biblical god is the one true god, don't you? Doesn't the bible require that of you? If you truly can't rule any other gods out, wouldn't agnosticism be the more logical position for you to hold?

- as well as having not even a tiny tiny tiny shred of evidence or claim that those gods exist - i don't plan on ever converting.

So you do understand the atheistic position after all! You're an atheist, just like us; we're just atheistic about one more god than you are.

Silent Dave

This is, I believe, the same Ray Comfort who had his keister handed to him on a silver platter during an AA debate. Magus, let me ask you something: since you can't definitively rule out the existence of a knock-down end-all argument for the nonexistence of God in the 99+% of knowledge YOU don't have, aren't you an agnostic as well? (You can't resort to faith in this instance, since agnosticism according to ol' Ray is not knowing, and faith rules out knowledge, which by definition must be a justified belief.)



Dave

Luiseach

And we've yet to have some evidence presented for the existence of one god, never mind any other.

Magus55

Well there is plenty of evidence, its just not the kind you want. You rely on faith for everything else you do and take in life. You weren't there during Roman or Greek or Nepoleans days so you take faith the the historical books written by eyewitness accounts or of the person themselves to be factual. Same with religion.

How do you know who discovered America? Columbus because everyone told you he did? How do you know Julius Ceasar ruled Rome? Because people of the time wrote down what he did? Everything we do is based on faith. Christians faith is just more in depth.

And no im neither Atheist nor Agnostic. I said im willing to give the benefit of the doubt with some near improbable chance that all Christians are wrong. However its a very very very small chance to me so its almost negligable - but since part of what i believe about God is taken completely on Faith ( the other part being accounts of the Bible that i can't take as anything more than a true account) i don't really worry about that slim chance of being found wrong. God exists based on my own experience with divine intervention, the Bible, and my own feelings of his presence.

I don't believe im wrong just like you don't either. But my faith is completely devoted to God so i don't even consider the possibility in other gods, but thats not to say there isn't a slim slim chance that they do exist since i don't know everything.

And i will never be agnostic/atheist because i didn't know God when i was younger and it was a miserable existance. Once i found God - i felt like i was in a different world.

Luiseach

So, from this I conclude that the evidence you have for the existence of God is based on the following:

1. faith
2. biblical accounts accepted as 'true' and reliable
3. personal experiences of 'divine intervention,' and 'feelings'

None of this demonstrates the existence of a deity.

Magus55

Prove to me Columbus discovered America without written testimony. Since the Bible has no value, neither do any other historical writings. Fact is, Bible has been proven more accurate than other historical writings so the written accounts of Columbus discovering American really aren't much to go on.

Luiseach

Goodness, I've not seen any documents which demonstrate that the Bible is more accurate than other historical writings. This is a very sweeping statement; I'd be interested in seeing evidence for it. Do you have any links to texts which demonstrate the reliability of the Bible and the unreliability of other historical writings? I'd be interested in reading them.

BRO3886

There are countless documents which atest to the accuracy of the Bible. After all, it not hard to make a book with primitive and ambiguous language fit almost any evidence now , is it?

Magus55

http://www.carm.org/questions/rewritten.htm

And thats just the accuracy of the copies of the Bible - thats not even taking into account the original Hebrew/Greek Bible which is the one that has yet to be found in any error.