Hedwig

That's what I keep wondering. I know a woman who was born and raised Jewish and then when she moved from New York to Oklahoma (I have no idea why either) she converted to Christianity. She mixed no words about it. She said she was Jewish but became a born-agan Christian. Pretty straightforward. Don't understand what the real difference is between her and Magus.

winstonjen

It could be that he wants to be distanced from all the atrocities done in the name of Christianity. However, as I doubt that Magus actually perpetrated those acts, I can't see what he's worried about.

EstherRose

Where in my post did I say anything bad about Texas? All I did was ask you a question.

Why on earth do you care so much what Magus calls himself?

yguy

Then I fail to see why you're arguing this at all. What the hell do you care whether Jews can believe in Christ as Messiah if you think it's all a myth anyway?

Rational BAC

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BINGO

Opera Nut has lost. Just does not know it yet.

Biff the unclean

Hypocrisy and dishonesty tend to annoy non-theists. Apparently you and Rational don't mind, but the rest of us are touchy about things like that.

yguy

Funny how Opera Nut's blatant intellectual dishonesty doesn't seem to annoy you in the least.

Wayne P

First of all care to list what Opera Nut's intellectual dishonesty is or are we just going to throw out assertions? From reading this thread it is obvious that Opera Nut at least tried to provide support for her position by quoting what Mainstream Jews say about Messianic Judaism. The Messianic Jew in question here has just arrogantly asserted, blustered and and essentially told everyone that it doesn't matter what they say, he is the only one that is right, because it is his religion so they don't know anything.

Also reference the other Messianic Jew thread where he proclaimed that the only difference between him and Mainstream Jews it that they are still waiting for the Messiah. And that is the ONLY difference. Not withstanding the whole divine Messiah of Christians (which he proclaims to be) versus Human Messiah (which the Jews are waiting for) issue.

With so many core doctrinal differences between the two (Mainstream Jews and Messianic Jews) don't you think the intellectual dishonesty is on the side that calls themselves something they are not?

Besides the idea here isn't whether anyone has the right to call themselves whatever they want, it is whether they are using that name to give a false impression of what they believe.

yguy

It seems to me as patent as anything can be. If you can't see it, I can't help you.

She has failed miserably. The flaws in her logic have been pointed out by several people already.

Magus' arrogance or lack thereof is beside the point. His logic appears to me to be unassailable.

Which side would that be? Maybe its the mainstream Jews who "say they are Jews, but are not". (Rev. 2:9)

I don't see Messianic Jews doing that.

Biff the unclean

Maybe you could try because all I see are your assertions too. Opera Nut's logic still looks perfectly intact from here