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HelenM · 09-14-2002, 02:56 AM

What experience did you have during those 12 minutes, Amie?

Helen

AtlanticCitySlave · 09-14-2002, 04:34 AM

"1. No one is indifferent toward their death."

-I am, as are many people I have met (the majority of whom were existentialists).

MortalWombat · 09-14-2002, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Amie:
I believe death is a transition.

So do I. It's a transition from being alive to not being alive.

Veil of Fire · 09-14-2002, 08:39 AM

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No one is indifferent toward their death.

*raises hand* Um, I am.

sullster · 09-14-2002, 10:39 AM

Amie, Doctors make mistakes. The one at your trauma center made one. Biological death is a certainty when it truly occurs. All states of "near death" are not death, anymore than sleeping and dreaming are death,(even though the French call sleep-petit mort or little death, they are cute but wrong). Medical science still has difficulties with determining true death when there is some confusion. Rest assured, you did not die.

My view of death? It is both the end and a transition. The end of biological functions and the transition of the body by decomposition to simpler elements. We are food for something else. Read it and weep.

Starboy · 09-14-2002, 10:45 AM

There has been some research into this area. When a person dies all function does not cease immediately. The brain keeps going until all the oxygen is used up. What happens can be simulated in a centrifuge. Many people who have been subjected to near black out describe experiences similar to those who were pronounced dead and then revived. It doesn't prove anything but it does indicate that there is more than one explanation.

Starboy

NOGO · 09-14-2002, 04:01 PM

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Amie
I died when I was 19, for 12 minutes so I do not think this is all we have. I believe death is a transition.

When you really die ever cell in your body dies and nothing, repeat NOTHING, can make it all work as before. Except God if you believe He exists.

Once a cell dies the body gets rid of it as waste.

Whatever happened to you did not kill a significant number of cells in your body or else you would not be here telling us this.

What do you think of my previous post?

NOGO · 09-14-2002, 04:06 PM

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Helen
What experience did you have during those 12 minutes, Amie?

Interesting question!
If Amie had any experiences during those 12 minutes then Amie was not dead.
Otherwise one would have to explain how the physical memory retained such experiences which would permit Amie to talk about them today.

[ September 15, 2002: Message edited by: NOGO ]

Philosoft · 09-14-2002, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Amie:


I am aware of the scientific data, all I did for the year following was research the medical possibilities and the scientific explanations, and you are right, it does not alter my perception of the event at all.

Is there something you found to be unique about your NDE?

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I WAS pronounced Dead by a medical Doctor in a trauma room, therefore I used the term "died"
Amie~

The doctor was wrong. It happens. You were not dead. Dead people do not come back to life. Misapplication of the word "dead" has always struck me as an underhanded way to make the NDE arguments more emotionally appealing. People can claim they were "dead," and "saw" what actual dead people "see" when, in actuality, you saw the results of cortical anoxia. Dying people might very well see these things too, but not after they're dead.

Blankman · 09-14-2002, 09:02 PM

Vanderzyden,

Here's my two cents worth on death. Have you ever been put under for an operation? Things go "black" no matter how hard you try to stay concious. Now, if you did not wake up from that operation, would you know the difference? No. This is how I perceive death. After you die, that's it. Period.

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09-14-2002, 02:56 AM	#11
HelenM Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ill Posts: 6,577	What experience did you have during those 12 minutes, Amie? Helen

09-14-2002, 04:34 AM	#12
AtlanticCitySlave Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 251	"1. No one is indifferent toward their death." -I am, as are many people I have met (the majority of whom were existentialists).

09-14-2002, 10:39 AM	#15
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	Amie, Doctors make mistakes. The one at your trauma center made one. Biological death is a certainty when it truly occurs. All states of "near death" are not death, anymore than sleeping and dreaming are death,(even though the French call sleep-petit mort or little death, they are cute but wrong). Medical science still has difficulties with determining true death when there is some confusion. Rest assured, you did not die. My view of death? It is both the end and a transition. The end of biological functions and the transition of the body by decomposition to simpler elements. We are food for something else. Read it and weep.

09-14-2002, 10:45 AM	#16
Starboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Reality Adventurer Posts: 5,276	There has been some research into this area. When a person dies all function does not cease immediately. The brain keeps going until all the oxygen is used up. What happens can be simulated in a centrifuge. Many people who have been subjected to near black out describe experiences similar to those who were pronounced dead and then revived. It doesn't prove anything but it does indicate that there is more than one explanation. Starboy

09-14-2002, 09:02 PM	#20
Blankman Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 41	Vanderzyden, Here's my two cents worth on death. Have you ever been put under for an operation? Things go "black" no matter how hard you try to stay concious. Now, if you did not wake up from that operation, would you know the difference? No. This is how I perceive death. After you die, that's it. Period.

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