Malachi151

Okay, let's do a brief overview here.

After the Civil War the Republicans in the South during the Reconstruction and later became largely infiltrated by the KKK.

During the 1920s the Republicans were the main political force opposing unions and the labor movement by which they resulted to unethical practices, and unethical people were heavily involved in getting Republicans elected in America all across the country in various local and even larger elections.

During the 1930s and early 1940s prior to WWII the there were two assassination attempts on FDR by wealthy conservatives groups. The Republicans and other fascist American groups opposed entry into WWII. FDR had to drag us into war by putting extensive pressure on the Japanese, which he had a hard enough time doing with the Republicans opposing him all along the way.

After WWII in the 1950s former President Truman is attacked by the Republicans for having been too liberal, and soft on Communism, despite the fact that he started the Cold War. During this era, the CIA goes wild, spying on Americans at home, performing biological weapons and mind control experiments on Americans, killing some Americans in the process, democracy was undermined under the Republican Eisenhower Administration with Nixon as vice president, most prominently by McCarthy to attacked the democratic party harshly as well as any liberals.

We finally get a moderately liberal president in JFK, and he is then assassinated.

Johnson continues a moderately liberal agenda, among much hate from "patriots" who hate his liberal nigger lovin' ways, despite the fact that Johnson himself is really not even very liberal, just the fact that he didn't think that corruption and oppressive violence against minorities was acceptable made lots of Republicans hate him, of course he was still waging war on the Commies.

Then comes Nixon, who as we know was trying to turn the presidency into a dictatorship, was spying on the Democratic Party with the intent to undermine them and the democratic process right along with them, he and about 75 other people in the White House were convicted of crimes.

The Republicans have run the most mud slinging campaigns for the past 50 years, which continued with Reagan.

Under Reagan we have the illegal Iran/Contra issues, and a host of other horrible things like the CIA/cocaine conspiracy where the CIA allowed the contras to run drugs into the US using federal money and facilities to fund a war on a country that was trying to get itself out of poverty.

They supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical and biological weapons, AND Republican senators got cozy with Saddam, like Bob Dole and Alan Simpson, who had dinner with him and made business deals with him.

Then George Bush comes in with the S&L scandal. He lied to the people to get elected about the S&L crisis and ended up costing the country 1.4 trillion dollars. He also helped deregulate industry, which helped lead to the Enron type problems.

Then Clinton comes in. He gets a blow job and all the sudden $47 million is spent investigating his blow job and other Democrats, again subverting democracy with unethical abuse of power funded by the Republicans.

Then George Bush Jr steals a mother fucking election with the help of his brother in Florida!!!

This is INSANE! Can't people see that the friggen Republicans are tyrants that are subverting Democracy!!!!!!!!????????

These people are a threat to the USA and the world!

ex-idaho

I'm not sure exactly what your trying to say in this statement. The Democrats ran the South during reconstruction and were responsible for the lynchings and intimidation of blacks and political opponents. The Republicans were seen as Northern carpet baggers sent in by the Yankees to force the whites to accept equality.

It wasn't until FDR that the roles began to reverse between the Dems and the GOP. The devotion that many blacks feel toward the Democratic party is a relatively new thing.

John Hancock

Yep! my only bitch. Republicans as evil railroads corporate interest vs. populace latter 19th century.

John Hancock
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TMA68

As corrupt as the Republican Party is, I reject the implication that the Democratic Party (at least at the federal level) is any better. To take just one example, consider the fact that the Dems controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for all of '93 and '94, yet during that entire time, no effort was made to legalize marijuana even for medical purposes. If they don't even support the right of terminally ill patients to injest a plant -- not some evil concoction developed in a science lab, but a plant -- under a doctor's supervision, then their political philosophy is obviously more authoritarian than it is anything else.

Todd Altman

anti-X

Hi, J.H.,

Where did you get this quotation?

Do you have a citation?

John Hancock

Most assuredly we've broker parties not ideologicals. Capital interest has practically eliminated broad based interests (the rich are richer and the poor poorer). It's more a question of to what degree can grassroots influence is viable in our existing plutocracy.

John Hancock
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John Hancock

My keyboard thanks.

John Hancock
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"Fascism,should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Mussolini

Edited to humbly ask did you mean the one in my signature? If so I copied it so long ago (on paper) that I can't recall. Have you googled?

ohwilleke

I agree. In the 1870s the Republican party was more like today's Democratic party than the Democrats then were. While religious forces were important in the early Republican party, it was the religious left and not the religious right that dominated the party.

Moreover, even into the 1920s, the Republicans were basically an economically conservative party and did not have the religous right trappings that it does now. The social conservatism that now defines the Republican party is basically a post-WWII thing, with Goldwater described by many as the first "modern" Republican.

It is worth remembering that during FDR's rein (from '33 to '45), that the Republicans came close to being wiped out entirely. At their low point after the 1936 election, FDR won the electoral vote 523-8 and the popular vote 27.8 million to 16.7 million (despite the absence of a major third party challenger to split the Republican vote) over the Republican challenger. The Democrats held 75 seats in the Senate, to 17 Republicans and 4 independents. The Democrats held 333 seats in the House to 89 for the Republicans and 13 for independents. FDR also has sufficient backing in his own party to deny success to anyone who pushed a bill he opposed. FDR vetoed 635 bills and was overrriden only 9 times.

Conservative factions resorted to desperate measures during FDR's reign because they had no political change at making an impact. Given their Congressional weakness (nearly unprecidented in American political history), ppposition to WWII would have gone nowhere without opposition from Democratics, and the Republican opposition to WWII came from the same New England and Mid-Atlantic anti-war political sentiments that drive Howard Dean in the Democratic party today. The North-South, Hawk-Dove divide in American politics has proven more persistent than the political parties themselves. The Republican party has gone from Dove to Hawk mostly because it has moved South.

The Republicans went twenty years without winning a Presidential election and each of the FDR elections were landslides (and even the famous Truman v. Dewey election was won by a safe margin of 3 million votes out of about 49 million cast). FDR never had less than 57 out of 96 Democrats in the Senate and had a filibuster proof majority for most of his tenure. The Democrats were the majority in the House for the entire FDR Presidency.

It is also a stretch to blame the Republican party for JFK's assassination.

Tristan Scott

I agree that Malachi151 is incorrect about the republican party in the past. Theodore Roosevelt, one of the very best IMO, could be considered the father of the modern progressive movement. It is the Republican party since Ronnie Raygun that has turned me into a Yellow Dog Democrat!

Malachi151

Good points.

Well, really I think this all started in the modern sense with the end of the progressive presidents after WWI, who were themselves hawkish.

But really, if you have read my webiste, you see that I focus it a lot on the rise of Communism in America, the Bolshevik Revolution, and the Red Scare.

With the Red Scare of the 1920s, some social and economic progressivism was countered by then fiscal conservatives, and the social conservatives jumped on board as well, as did groups like the KKK. (which is well after reconstruction I am aware)

Then with a series of problems and the great depression the progressives and liberals take firm command once again.

At this point you have several types of anti-war (WWII) factions.

1) Doves, who were largely anti-violence liberals, and included many Christian groups like the Methodists, Unitarians, Quakers, etc, not necessarily isolationists, just pacifists.

2) Anti-War Veterans, which were people who had been in the military since the Spanish Americans war and felt that (correctly) the military was a capitalist money pit doing the bidding of Wall Street. These were largely liberals as well, often socialists or communists, not really pacifists, but isolationists.

3) Then you had your pro-fascist groups who were opposed to the US entering the war unless on the side of the Germans. This actually represents a significant number of Americans, though not a huge amount by any means. This group consisted of a many groups like the KKK, Black Legion, and American Liberty League. A significant number of wealth Americans were part of this faction. They were neither pacifists, but some were isolationists though they favored the Nazis in the European conflict, they didn't want to get involved either. In addition many businessmen wanted America to stay out of the war so that they could continue their trade deals with the fascists who were spending lots of money, buying lot's of American products.

4) The extremely pro-fascist groups who were pushing for America to go to war on the side of the Germans. These people were not pacifists or isolationists, and were pretty much extremely anti-Socialist and anti-Semitic.

Then you had the pro-war group, who was mostly liberals and progressives. These were essentially the people who felt that it was every person's duty to fight for freedom and against fascism all over the world and viewed the world as more of a global community in a cosmopolitan light. They were neither isolationists, or pacifists. This was where FDR and his group fit in, but without support they had no way to get into the war, and he was opposed on both sides, by the liberal Doves and the "conservatives" fascists.

And as we know, the KKK is still pro-Nazi today, but back in the 1920s and 1930s the KKK was a much, much larger organization, and only one of many of a similar type.

We also know that the KKK and organizations like it (ALL, and the BL, and the American Legion), were all very "Christian" and patriots and "pro-Americans", and WASPS.

Many of these groups have been demonstrated to have subverted Democracy in America, especially the KKK.

So, when America did finally get into the war is was against the wishes of the "conservatives", which to a large degree were the Republicans, who had been taken down to a small group of desperate people who at that critical time formed a small close knit structure bent on subversion to get their way.

Then after the war these fascists took over. The Republicans then began using every form of manipulation possible to regain power including of course subverting democracy.

The goal, the same as always, to "preserve the American way", which means not to embrace democracy and progressive ideology, but to attempt to preserve an ideal that they hold, the WASP ideal.

So, really the groups like the KKK and Black Legion, devolved into the broader Republican Party, the sense of urgency is there for them, the will to do "whatever it takes" to promote their agenda is there.

No I would not say that "Republicans" assassinated JFK, but I would say that American "protectionists" did. Its not just JFK though, it was all of the string of assassinations of liberals in America. All the Kennedy's and MLK. Look at how many liberals have been killed in America vs. conservatives over the past 50 years.

Look at all the Republicans since WWII. Eisenhower (the CIA was wild under him, McCarthyism, and he still promoted Separate but Equal, the Supreme Court made him allow integration), Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and Bush, I mean every one of those guys ( know I felt out Ford) has undermined democracy. Its outrageous that so many people support this crap.