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Mageth · 02-25-2003, 12:56 PM

I don't know if this has been posted here before, but if your knowledge of dinosaurs is lacking, you might want to visit The Great Dinosaur Mystery. There, you will learn even less.

"the world's largest and most exciting dinosaur site
...educational, fun, non-commercial..."

But don't forget to buy the book and video...

"However, some new discoveries indicate that man and dinosaurs may have lived together in the not too distant past. Modern man may have to totally rethink theories of how these great creatures fit into the history of the human race."

Only if a brick falls on my head, rendering me incapable of logical thought.

And don't miss The Great Alaskan Dinosaur Aventure.

"Creation scientists headed to the north slopes of Alaska to hunt for dinosaur remains. They discovered almost completely UN-petrified dinosaur bones. We have their true story, complete with photographs.

"Join us in a journey as we learn about their discoveries, ordeals, and daily evidences of the Creator's hand at work during their ten day expedition (emphasis mine) in the wilderness."

Their task

The team leader:

John Whitmore
teacher of geology at Cedarville University, Cedarville, Ohio
Creationist speaker for churches and schools
M.S. in geology, Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, California (1991)
B.S. in geology, Kent State University, Kent, Ohio

Also along was dinosaur sculptor/"expert" Buddy Davis (no degrees listed). Here's evidence of his expertise:

"All of the sudden, Buddy became very excited, he had also found something in the mud. He began to jump up and down an as he cleared the mud and sand away. It appeared as though he had found a long limb bone. His enthusiasm increased as he dug deeper and deeper. After he had cleared about eighteen inches or so of sand away, the shape began to look kind of funny. It was too good to be true, Buddy was digging out a piece of drift wood! "

Well, apparently, and unfortunately they managed to accidentally stumble across a few fossils, though of what I'm not qualified to judge by the few pictures they post. Of course, they give credit to the Lawd for his divine intervention in directing them to the finds. I guess 'ole Buddy got his spiritual wires crossed or something.

What we have here, in my opinion, is a bunch of bungling idiots out carelessly destroying archaeological evidence that may actually have allowed real scientists to learn something about the earth's past. Leave the science to the truly expert professionals, why don't you, guys?

(I was torn between using the Laughing icon or the Mad icon for this thread. It's funny, but sad, and it angers me a bit that some people are just so willingly ignorant).

Doubting Didymus · 02-25-2003, 03:11 PM

I don't get it. He found a piece of driftwood under a few inches of mud and sand? What, exactly, is that supposed to signify?

RBH · 02-25-2003, 03:18 PM

DD wrote

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I don't get it. He found a piece of driftwood under a few inches of mud and sand? What, exactly, is that supposed to signify?

That he is qualified to do paleontology because he can reliably identify driftwood 62.7% of the time, which is statistically significantly better than flipping a coin: heads it's Barney, tails it's Woody.

RBH

Doubting Didymus · 02-25-2003, 03:38 PM

But given that he has correctly identified driftwood, so what? Its a piece of wood. Congratualtions.

James Hamlin · 02-27-2003, 11:32 PM

Who are these guys, the three stooges?

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TRAPPED IN QUICKSAND Dan tried to get loose, but when he pulled one foot out, it came out with only a sock on his foot. Mike tried to get close to and rescue him, but he became briefly stuck as well. Mike struggled, and was able to back away. He wasn't in as deep as Dan. He tried throwing Dan a couple of short paddles so he could try to walk on them like snowshoes. It didn't work. [The quicksand was a muddy mixture of sand. I had always envisioned quicksand as just "wet" sand, but it was not like this at all. I'm not sure why Dan stopped sinking, but it may have been because the layer of quicksand was on top of a gravel bar. The mud may have been deposited by the high, but slowing moving water in the days before.] Mike suggested that Dan lay down and roll out, but he didn't want to. I didn't blame him.

We didn't know what to do. It was at least fifty feet to solid ground from where he was standing. I had no idea how he was able to get in so far. We couldn't send anybody in after him because then we'd have two people stuck. The wind was blowing and it was getting colder. Dan was exhausted, wet, and hungry. He was beginning to get hypothermic. The river also continued to drop, which complicated matters. We had even more trouble maneuvering the rafts along the edge of the shallow muddy river. We decided the only way to get him out was to empty one of the rafts and slide it on top of the mud to him. The water was only about three inches deep, so we couldn't paddle. It took Buddy and I about fifteen minutes to get to him, because we kept getting stuck as well, but it worked. Every time one of us got stuck, we flopped back into the raft. Finally we shoved the raft up against the back of Dan's legs and he was able to flop into the boat by himself. I reached down into the mud and pulled his boot out.

It's the Brea Tar Pits for moronic theists.

tgamble · 02-28-2003, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus
I don't get it. He found a piece of driftwood under a few inches of mud and sand? What, exactly, is that supposed to signify?

Get rid your annoying intelligence and logic!

He found wood! the ark was made of wood! This is absolute, undeniable, undisputable, 100%, unambiguously PROOF that Noah's ark existed! There really was a flood and all those stupid geologists are either stupid or liars or both.

Jimmy Higgins · 02-28-2003, 07:50 AM

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TRAPPED IN QUICKSAND Dan tried to get loose,

So these people aren't geologists, thats for sure. There is no such thing as "quicksand". Its called a "quick condition". When you walk on the ground, you don't fall into it, because the soil you are stepping on can't displace itself because of its own weight and overburden pressure. However, if you have enough water creating a buoyancy pressure greater than the overburden pressure, you can slip right through it. This is why if you struggle, you go further down, there is no "support".

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He tried throwing Dan a couple of short paddles so he could try to walk on them like snowshoes.

Come on! If Jesus could walk on water...

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It didn't work.

No *%&in' kidding!

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The quicksand was a muddy mixture of sand.

I'm mistaken. These are expert geologists! What the *%%& is a muddy mixture of sand? The sand is the "mud", so to say.

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I had always envisioned quicksand as just "wet" sand, but it was not like this at all.

Is this guy speaking english? It is the same thing.

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The mud may have been deposited by the high, but slowing moving water in the days before.

Before the flood?

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Mike suggested that Dan lay down and roll out, but he didn't want to. I didn't blame him.

Lay down and roll out? Only if!

Mageth · 02-28-2003, 12:53 PM

So Dan almost became a fossil for someone else to dig up in a future generation, but the only way all those other fossils were created was by rapid burial in a global flood?

02-25-2003, 12:56 PM	#1
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	The Great Dinosaur Mystery I don't know if this has been posted here before, but if your knowledge of dinosaurs is lacking, you might want to visit The Great Dinosaur Mystery. There, you will learn even less. "the world's largest and most exciting dinosaur site ...educational, fun, non-commercial..." But don't forget to buy the book and video... "However, some new discoveries indicate that man and dinosaurs may have lived together in the not too distant past. Modern man may have to totally rethink theories of how these great creatures fit into the history of the human race." Only if a brick falls on my head, rendering me incapable of logical thought. And don't miss The Great Alaskan Dinosaur Aventure. "Creation scientists headed to the north slopes of Alaska to hunt for dinosaur remains. They discovered almost completely UN-petrified dinosaur bones. We have their true story, complete with photographs. "Join us in a journey as we learn about their discoveries, ordeals, and daily evidences of the Creator's hand at work during their ten day expedition (emphasis mine) in the wilderness." Their task The team leader: John Whitmore teacher of geology at Cedarville University, Cedarville, Ohio Creationist speaker for churches and schools M.S. in geology, Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, California (1991) B.S. in geology, Kent State University, Kent, Ohio Also along was dinosaur sculptor/"expert" Buddy Davis (no degrees listed). Here's evidence of his expertise: "All of the sudden, Buddy became very excited, he had also found something in the mud. He began to jump up and down an as he cleared the mud and sand away. It appeared as though he had found a long limb bone. His enthusiasm increased as he dug deeper and deeper. After he had cleared about eighteen inches or so of sand away, the shape began to look kind of funny. It was too good to be true, Buddy was digging out a piece of drift wood! " Well, apparently, and unfortunately they managed to accidentally stumble across a few fossils, though of what I'm not qualified to judge by the few pictures they post. Of course, they give credit to the Lawd for his divine intervention in directing them to the finds. I guess 'ole Buddy got his spiritual wires crossed or something. What we have here, in my opinion, is a bunch of bungling idiots out carelessly destroying archaeological evidence that may actually have allowed real scientists to learn something about the earth's past. Leave the science to the truly expert professionals, why don't you, guys? (I was torn between using the Laughing icon or the Mad icon for this thread. It's funny, but sad, and it angers me a bit that some people are just so willingly ignorant).

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02-25-2003, 03:11 PM	#2
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	I don't get it. He found a piece of driftwood under a few inches of mud and sand? What, exactly, is that supposed to signify?

02-25-2003, 03:38 PM	#4
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	But given that he has correctly identified driftwood, so what? Its a piece of wood. Congratualtions.

02-28-2003, 12:53 PM	#8
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	So Dan almost became a fossil for someone else to dig up in a future generation, but the only way all those other fossils were created was by rapid burial in a global flood?

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