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GeoTheo · 04-11-2003, 11:30 AM

If possible I would like atheists to respond to this.
I am doing this as an expiriment.
I'ts not a trick question or anything just make up a god you would like to be around
or explain why you wouldn't conjure one up even if you could
I will explain after a couple days
Thank you

Zadok001 · 04-11-2003, 11:37 AM

Larry, God All-Powerful:

Omnibenevolent
Omniscient
NOT Omnipotent (as this would introduce a contradiction), but capable of interacting with the world in a limited number of ways:

1. Capable of informing humans as to aspects of reality he has come to know through omniscience.
2. Capable of informing humans as to what course of actions will lead to the 'best' outcome, based on his normative value of 'best,' which in turn is based on his omnibenevolence.

That's an ideal deity that fits nicely with what we observe in the world.

Darkblade · 04-11-2003, 11:56 AM

My omnigod, omniknown as Omniomni, is omnicompletely and omniabsolutely omniapathetic and omnidisillusioned, omnionly doing omnithings at omnirandom. Omnishe is omnitruly omnicompatible with omnireality. I omnilove omniher because omnishe is omnialso omniabsurdly omnisexually omniattractive. Omnithank omniyou.

Omniglory omnibe omniunto Omniomni!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goliath · 04-11-2003, 12:05 PM

How about a god who is not necessarily omnipotent or omniscient (who said that gods had to have these qualities, anyway?), but a god who is good and tries to help humanity the best that it can.

If such a god were to exist, I would not spit in its face and fly into a rage like I would if the xian god were to exist and appear before me.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Darkblade · 04-11-2003, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Goliath

If such a god were to exist, I would not spit in its face and fly into a rage like I would if the xian god were to exist and appear before me.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy FROFFFLMFAO!!!!!!

Darth Dane · 04-11-2003, 12:13 PM

What if this is how, the xian God actually is?

DD - Love Spliff

Goliath · 04-11-2003, 12:22 PM

Darth Dane,

Regarding my description of a non-omnipotent, non-omniscient god, you said

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Dane
What if this is how, the xian God actually is?

Impossible. The xian god is defined to be omnipotent and omniscient.

(Of course, it is a contradiction to be omnipotent, since this brings in the "can god make a rock so big he can't lift it?" type paradoxes).

Sincerely,

Goliath

Ab_Normal · 04-11-2003, 12:25 PM

As a long-time game master of pencil and paper fantasy role playing games (or GM of PnP RPGs

), I have made up entire pantheons. Each deity has a specific "area of responsibility". I usually set it up that the deity's ability to futz with the "mortal realm" is directly related to the number of active worshippers they have, and had pseudo-scientifical reasons for why they couldn't just do what they wanted. I wanted the players to do things for themselves, not wait for a deity to save their behinds.

Only once did I come up with a monotheism, and I didn't like that deity, either.

Darth Dane · 04-11-2003, 12:35 PM

Impossible. The xian god is defined to be omnipotent and omniscient.

(Of course, it is a contradiction to be omnipotent, since this brings in the "can god make a rock so big he can't lift it?" type paradoxes).

Is this impossible by your(or those who supprot this) standards?
What if God was in contradiction, ala yin/yang which forms the Tao

What if, what we see and understand as a contradiction is not a contradiction to God?

DD - Love Spliff

Darkblade · 04-11-2003, 12:37 PM

And what if I have three heads, but no mouths?

04-11-2003, 11:30 AM	#1
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	Make up a God and tell us what he/she is like. If possible I would like atheists to respond to this. I am doing this as an expiriment. I'ts not a trick question or anything just make up a god you would like to be around or explain why you wouldn't conjure one up even if you could I will explain after a couple days Thank you

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04-11-2003, 11:37 AM	#2
Zadok001 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Steps Ahead Posts: 1,124	Larry, God All-Powerful: Omnibenevolent Omniscient NOT Omnipotent (as this would introduce a contradiction), but capable of interacting with the world in a limited number of ways: 1. Capable of informing humans as to aspects of reality he has come to know through omniscience. 2. Capable of informing humans as to what course of actions will lead to the 'best' outcome, based on his normative value of 'best,' which in turn is based on his omnibenevolence. That's an ideal deity that fits nicely with what we observe in the world.

04-11-2003, 11:56 AM	#3
Darkblade Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: I am both omnipresent AND ubiquitous. Posts: 130	My omnigod, omniknown as Omniomni, is omnicompletely and omniabsolutely omniapathetic and omnidisillusioned, omnionly doing omnithings at omnirandom. Omnishe is omnitruly omnicompatible with omnireality. I omnilove omniher because omnishe is omnialso omniabsurdly omnisexually omniattractive. Omnithank omniyou. Omniglory omnibe omniunto Omniomni!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

04-11-2003, 12:05 PM	#4
Goliath Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fargo, ND, USA Posts: 1,849	How about a god who is not necessarily omnipotent or omniscient (who said that gods had to have these qualities, anyway?), but a god who is good and tries to help humanity the best that it can. If such a god were to exist, I would not spit in its face and fly into a rage like I would if the xian god were to exist and appear before me. Sincerely, Goliath

04-11-2003, 12:13 PM	#6
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	What if this is how, the xian God actually is? DD - Love Spliff

04-11-2003, 12:25 PM	#8
Ab_Normal Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,842	As a long-time game master of pencil and paper fantasy role playing games (or GM of PnP RPGs ), I have made up entire pantheons. Each deity has a specific "area of responsibility". I usually set it up that the deity's ability to futz with the "mortal realm" is directly related to the number of active worshippers they have, and had pseudo-scientifical reasons for why they couldn't just do what they wanted. I wanted the players to do things for themselves, not wait for a deity to save their behinds. Only once did I come up with a monotheism, and I didn't like that deity, either.

04-11-2003, 12:35 PM	#9
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Impossible. The xian god is defined to be omnipotent and omniscient. (Of course, it is a contradiction to be omnipotent, since this brings in the "can god make a rock so big he can't lift it?" type paradoxes). Is this impossible by your(or those who supprot this) standards? What if God was in contradiction, ala yin/yang which forms the Tao What if, what we see and understand as a contradiction is not a contradiction to God? DD - Love Spliff

04-11-2003, 12:37 PM	#10
Darkblade Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: I am both omnipresent AND ubiquitous. Posts: 130	And what if I have three heads, but no mouths?

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