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07-16-2002, 05:51 PM | #21 | |
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But whose list comes first? The point is, why would God inspire the gospel writers to produce inaccurate genealogies, knowing full well that future skeptics would rip them to shreds? |
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Because God knew that future skeptics would rip at it regardless.
If they did complete genealogies then the skeptics would say they didn't fit the culture where it was common to skip genealogies, and therefore was written at a later date (Kind of like they do now with Daniel just cuz his writings have a few things in common with the 2nd century acopalyptic writers) Besides- is the fact that the genealogies are OK proof that God had anything to do with them? No. So unless you believe in God, then using what God "could have done" is fruitless to what the authors actually wrote and why. |
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I have challenged many people to attempt to combine the two stories into one. These are the rules. 1. Must use all the material in both stories. 2. Can add anything he or she wants. 3. Story must be plausible and not contradict. I have never seen it done. Considering that these are inspired authors writing about such an important subject as the resurrection one has to wonder. The conclusion is that one or the other or both of these two stories has been fabricated. It is a lie. |
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But be careful not to fall into the converse trap: You're almost saying that, because the genealogies appear faulty (though you believe they are not faulty), it is a sign that God inspired them. Because any dumb bastard can write an accurate genealogy, but it takes a deity to write a screwed-up one. [ July 17, 2002: Message edited by: Grumpy ]</p> |
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"The bible says the earth is ~6000 years old" "Science has proven that wrong many times" "Oh, well maybe they skipped generations in there, it must be older". |
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Marguerite, there is a pretty compelling discussion of a contradiction in the first two verses of the OT, <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000412" target="_blank">here</a>.
Basically, there are two creation stories. In one humans are created before animals, in the other animals before humans. |
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214. ARGUMENT FROM COUNTERFACTUAL EVIDENCE 1) You claim that there is no proof of God's existence. 2) But if there were tons of evidence, you still wouldn't be convinced. 3) Therefore, God exists. |
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But if genealogies matter, there's still the question of which one builds the stronger case for Jesus' claim to the throne. Or did one of them (Luke, I suppose) find it satisfying that Jesus could claim any Davidic descent at all? |
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07-19-2002, 01:49 PM | #30 |
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I don't know why they need to include the genealogy but the prophecies did say that the Messiah would be of the house of David.
From a Legal point of view, that is covered through Joseph, since he was supposed to be Jesus Father (by Adoption) wether or not it was biological. But through Mary, it also is a very literal fulfillment that goes through genetics opposed to just legal. |
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