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Jesse · 03-16-2003, 09:51 AM

The link in the original post is to a story about the demise of the Mayan civilization--I assume that's a mistake? Here's a link to the story about 350,000-year-old prints:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/884221.asp?0dm=C13IT

I liked this little detail:

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Another includes handprints that an individual left as he or she negotiated a precarious spot, only to slide a short ways down the slope.

ps418 · 03-17-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by Coragyps
There's much older stuff than 27,000 years in Europe if you count Homo neandertalensis as part of our club - caves in Spain with remains well over 100,000 yr, as I remember, and a very complete skeleton from Dmanisi (spelling??) in the Republic of Georgia that's much older than that - it may be even H. erectus, and a million years plus. I'm too sleepy to go look it up.....

Yep. Dmanisi D2700 consists of a skull and mandible of primitive Homo Ergaster, around 1.7Ma. There are two other crania from this Dmanisi site too. As far as I remember, no postcranial elements have been found.

Patrick

David M. Payne · 03-17-2003, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Jesse
The link in the original post is to a story about the demise of the Mayan civilization--I assume that's a mistake? Here's a link to the story about 350,000-year-old prints:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/884221.asp?0dm=C13IT

I liked this little detail:

It did link to the original OP, but it must be a page link that changes from day to day. Thanks for the new link Jesse.

David

Claudia · 03-20-2003, 06:04 AM

There are traces of possible human presence in Europe as old as 1.8Myears (Chilhac, France), but these are disputable. There are other silghtly less than 1Myear (Soleilhac). But all of these areindirect traces (tools...), foot prints and bones are a lot more recent

keyser_soze · 03-20-2003, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by ps418
Yep. Dmanisi D2700 consists of a skull and mandible of primitive Homo Ergaster, around 1.7Ma. There are two other crania from this Dmanisi site too. As far as I remember, no postcranial elements have been found.

Patrick

Throw away such a useful bowl? Never!

Boro Nut · 03-25-2003, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by David M. Payne
this link has some interesting footprints.
Scientists in Italy have discovered 350,000-year-old tracks that may be the oldest known footprints made by Stone Age man. The prints were made by three early, upright-walking humans as they descended the treacherous side of a volcano

Which just goes to show how wrong you can be. I don't care how thick their soles were in those days, if you were treading in lava soft enought to leave footprints you wouldn't be just walking.

Boro Nut

cricket · 03-25-2003, 10:32 AM

Lava is soft enough for footprints just after it has cooled.

Corona688 · 03-25-2003, 03:03 PM

Ahh, I believe we've been boro nutted again.

cricket · 03-25-2003, 03:47 PM

Yeah the Laetoli Australopithecines were moving much more slowly than this, across their lava, as if out for a Sunday stroll. Guess their feet were on fire and they didn't mind either, eh Boro Nut?

Arvel Joffi · 03-25-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut
Which just goes to show how wrong you can be. I don't care how thick their soles were in those days, if you were treading in lava soft enought to leave footprints you wouldn't be just walking.

Boro Nut

A pyrocastic flow isn't lava.

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MSNBC - Like footprints in wet sand, the trails were left by three individuals who walked across a cooled but recent pyroclastic flow, a dense mixture of rock fragments, ash and gases.

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03-20-2003, 06:04 AM	#14
Claudia Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: France Posts: 715	There are traces of possible human presence in Europe as old as 1.8Myears (Chilhac, France), but these are disputable. There are other silghtly less than 1Myear (Soleilhac). But all of these areindirect traces (tools...), foot prints and bones are a lot more recent

03-25-2003, 10:32 AM	#17
cricket Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St Louis MO USA Posts: 1,188	Lava is soft enough for footprints just after it has cooled.

03-25-2003, 03:03 PM	#18
Corona688 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Hiding from Julian ;) Posts: 5,368	Ahh, I believe we've been boro nutted again.

03-25-2003, 03:47 PM	#19
cricket Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St Louis MO USA Posts: 1,188	Yeah the Laetoli Australopithecines were moving much more slowly than this, across their lava, as if out for a Sunday stroll. Guess their feet were on fire and they didn't mind either, eh Boro Nut?

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