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Old 04-28-2003, 02:20 PM   #191
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We created the situation of pain and suffering.
The credulity of theists never cease to amaze me with that beauty.

They simply never stop to consider the 'innocence' factor that ju'iblex poses regarding their fable, nor the blatant culpability of an all-powerful and all-knowing deity that would intentionally choose, of the entire vastness of the Universe, that particular place to plant such a notorious tree.
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Old 04-28-2003, 02:21 PM   #192
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When you try every self-help philosophy and religion, and find none which can let you be completely honest with yourself and still find complete forgiveness and freedom from guilt, you will know what I mean
Yes you too can shed those ugly pounds of guilt. This is the new and improved ephedra free Jesus guilt-loss pill. It works wonders.

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But the approach here is so often to just pretend they don't exist or that we are above all that and unlike any generation before us, can save the world by preaching the power of faith in self.
Faith and superstition have done little for the world. Or is faith responsible for developing the carbon fiber that my kayak paddle is made of like your bike frames? Faith didn’t invent the anti-biotics that eradicated a post-surgical infection in my knee or did it?. We’re straying a bit from the OP aren’t we, sorry mods. I’m playing his game. I’ll stop now.
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Old 04-28-2003, 02:31 PM   #193
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QUOTE]Originally posted by Radorth
"We skeptics think for ourselves, but a good God would have made us so we could not. We are free agents and take personal responsibility for our mistakes, but if God exists, we don't have to because he let us choose evil."

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Perhaps the theists have done a poor selling job. The Christian god does not want us to think for ourselves according to pastor takeyourpick. We are to follow him like sheep. Some of my holy roller buddies think that god controls their every thought and the he’ll do the same to me if I just accept Jesus into my heart. But you tell us that's not our nature. Is it fair for a god that loves sheep to create foxes and get mad at the foxes for being foxes?

Also, you say that we are to unload our baggage on god but chastise us for saying that if god exists he's responsible for sin. Your picture of jesus painted here:

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God is not asking us to give up any of these (though some churches might) but rather he is asking us to look at the logs in our own eyes, to admit our own hypocrisy and guilt and to unload our own baggage
is such that god is taking responsibility for our sins. Shoot, what a guy. Can you prove it? Instead of a burning bush maybe my coffee mug could catch fire and talk to me.
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I am out of warnings. Since the personal sniping has continued despite several posts asking for civility, I am closing this thread.
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