dk

Dr Rick: What follows is a series of rationalizations presented in some form or another by dk in the past. They've been thoroughly deconstructed before on prior threads, but it might be worthwhile to go through them briefly again for those that have missed the previous beatings. [...and then I won't address this off-topic bullshit again; I just didn't want this miserable nonsense to go uncorrected)
dk: I love you Dr. Rick, but you have rarely responded except with dogmatic denial.

dk:I oppose the Gay Rights Movement for three obvious reasons…

1. dk: perpetuate an egotistical tradition (Freudian) that lacks judgment, conscience, and merit.
   Dr Rick: Substitute any group you want, here, from sky-divers to Christians, and it will be no less nonsensical.
   dk: False, most of the world is completely ignorant of Freud, so couldn't possibly carry on a Freudian tradition (egotism).
2. dk: show hostility and mock family values (anti family)
   Dr Rick: We are all lamentably familiar with the daily spectacle of hordes of gays angrily tauting children on their way to school with chants of "Nyah, nyah; nyah, nyah...you've go parents, you've got parents..."
   There is no attempt to substantiate this particular spluge in the rest of his post, and it's just hate speech, akin to "Blacks are hostile to White Christian values,”
   Many gays live in families, are monogamous, and are parents. The movement is fighting to be able to marry partners and adopt children, which many homophobes oppose even as they condemn them for subverting the family.
   dk: You’re loosing it Dr Rick, gays don’t procreate. Empirically speaking gay intercourse isn’t intercourse but mocks sexual intercourse.
3. dk: children as political pawns to fight a cultural so it deserves nothing but war
   Dr Rick: White-supremists use similar language, and just a moment ago dk was telling us he's not a bigot.
   Now, dk attempts to use some "facts" to justify his feelings, but his argument is just as weak as it was the last time he tried it.
   dk: White Supremists like the Gay Rights Movement indoctrinated children in public schools, its called social engineering.

dk: In the 1980s HIV/AIDs decimated the gay community. When HAART therapies came online in the 1990s many gays celebrated by taking off the gloves to ride bareback. This was a pathological response, for example.
” What most upset Stall and Katz - both of whom are prominent gay leaders in San Francisco - is that their community seems no longer to be listening to the primary message of 1990s public health: Always have sex using a condom.
"People were supposed to feel remorse about having unsafe sex," Katz said. "Now there's this small minority saying 'Yes, I did, and I'm not sorry.' "[emphasis added]
Dr Rick: We could post something about gang-bangers or some other "small minority" of an ethnic group and generalize to the whole, but most of us aren't that hateful and irrational. The majority of gays practice safe sex, and the majority of latinos are not criminals; labeling all of either group based upon what a small deviant, minority of them do is unjustifiable and rehensible.
dk: I’m not generalizing, I used a specific quote, one of thousands issued by healthcare officials that were ignored. They document a broad trend across the United States. The benefit of HAART treatments has been offset by a relapse of HIV+ gay men into high risk behaviors. What Katz describes a psychopathic, spoken without hyperbole.

Dr Rick: In this case, it's also hypocritical. dk is well aware from previous threads that what's being devastated right now by HIV is the "heterosexual community"; it's out of control in much of Africa and parts of Asia due primarily to heterosexual sex, which is no less of a "pathological response" to HIV than homosexual sex. Furthermore, if HIV was really a justification for condemning sexual orientation, then female homosexuals should warrant high praise as they have much lower HIV rates than heteroxexual family values types.
dk: Alas, I wouldn’t be so sure, following are some disturbing articles that have come out in the last year. If the allegations are true then the gargantuan snafu has been sustained for 20 years and killed 10s of millions of lives. My answer to the question is… “when science and politics collide, science becomes a political weapon, and in this case a weapon of mass destruction.” Africa: HIV/AIDS through Unsafe Medical Care, 10/08/02, and
dk: In fact, it appears gays granted access to public schools system to education students about HIV have transported the virus into the public schools.
Dr Rick: This is just dishonest; the figures he posted are for homosexual men between the ages of 23-29, and the study doesn't even mention schools! dk found a set of figures that have nothing to do with his paranoia and juxtaposed them with inflammatory rhetoric. His "irresponsible behavior can only be described as pathological."
dk: We’ve been through this Rick, in the earlier thread I offered several quotes including a Community Youth Center for young gay protoges where (if I remember correctly) 90% engage in unsafe anal sex, and 25% prostituted themselves. Gay mentors in high school gay support groups introduce their protégés to gay culture. In the real world that means introduced youths to anonymous sex venues where they suffer an HIV incidence rate of 6% per year, higher for minority kids. Many of these kids just experimenting and then go on to infect teenage girls. I’ll grant you it’s a tragic scenario, but that’s what is happening.

dk: Dr Rick: Apparently some in the gay community intend to extend the HIV epidemic in the US to a new generation for political reasons.
Dr Rick: Apparently some in the bigot community intend to extend their hate to anyone that's dumb enough to listen.
dk: You’re in denial, I love you Rick.

keyser_soze

Yeah, Doc is the one that responds with dogmatic denial and rationalizations....yep....sure.....must be him and not you...anybody else see the irony in such a transferrance?....

Amaranth

Actually, Keyser, the irony is in this statement:

dk: You’re in denial, I love you Rick.

Hmmm. Y'know, dk - Closets are for clothes.

Calzaer

AIDS isn't punishment for homosexuals. It's a punishment for anyone, male or female, stupid enough to have sex with MEN.

(tongue firmly planted in cheek, please don't kill me.... but that's a much better appraisal of the situation from a statistical standpoint.)

dk

If I catch your drift, I agree. However, from a psychological perspective deadly MDR microbes aren't a punishment. It is however pathological, psychotic, immoral and unethical for a HIV+ man

1. engage in anonymous anal sex
2. recruit and introduce protégés (youth) to risky behaviors under the guise educator and mentor
3. use penumbra privacy rights to impede public health officials
4. celebrate HAART treatments by riding bareback

The statistics I presented infer that many hiv+ gay and bisexual men are psychopaths. Is there a coherent psychological explanation for the comorbity? Answer… No, so I'm forced to conclude you're in denial. I don't want gays granted intimate access to children because they act like psychopaths, many do as they please without conscience. Here's a question...

Why shouldn't a gay mentor teach his protege about the gay life style?

livius drusus

Every response to dk in this thread is an encouragement of his obsession and a perpetuation of a derailment even creepier than the topic itself. And that, my friends, is a bold statement indeed.

dk

You guys asked for evidence... Well respond

I'm on topic and its not a pretty picture,
HIV Incidence Among Young Men Who Have Sex With Men --- Seven U.S. Cities, 1994--2000
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Twenty years after the first report on human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection in the United States, studies of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and sexual behaviors suggest a resurgent HIV epidemic among men who have sex with men (MSM) (1,2). However, few recent studies have measured HIV incidence in this population (3--7). To determine HIV incidence among young MSM, CDC analyzed data from the Young Men's Survey (YMS), a study that found a high prevalence of HIV and associated risks among MSM aged 15--22 years sampled in seven U.S. cities (8). This report confirms high HIV incidence among these young men.
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The hard fact is that HIV+ gay mentors appealed to the educracy for, and were granted, access to kids in public schools. . The strategy was… “Members of the gay community that lost so many friends and loved one's to HIV/AIDS, they know best how to bring an end to the carnage.” Instead many of the gay mentors betrayed their community, obligations and the public trust. They used their trusted positions to recruited new protégés from the most vulneralbe populations, then taught these kids about penumbra privacy rights i.e. the Right to anonymous anal sex.

It is insane, yguy got it exactly right. HIV+ gays infected a new generation of protégés, and in doing so they demonstrate a pedophilesk pathology. A sane person with a modicum of human decency/compassion/conscience couldn’t possibly defend such gross detestable conduct. Draw your own conclusion, but there's no writing this off to business as usual.

JamesKrieger

This isn't evidence to support your assertion, dk.

You have provided statistics of a high rate of HIV in young gay men. Then, you create an ad hoc explanation for it. This is not evidence to support your position. In your own mind, you have completely made up cause for the high rate of HIV in young gay men, and then provide no evidence for this cause.

Citing statistical evidence, and then completely making up a cause for that evidence, is not providing evidence. You need to come up with evidence of a cause/effect relationship between your assertion and the statistics. Hell, you need to come up with evidence that gay mentors are "recruiting new proteges" into the gay community....that this "cause" even exists.

keyser_soze

I thought hetero latino teenagers were the fastest growing aids incidence population now? Did I miss something?

Theli

Homosexual intercourse yesterday, pedophilia today and necrophilia tomorrow.
I would like to have sex with a stuffed animal while wearing a partyhat, mark the calendar, the oppression will soon be over!
Sex and taboo, two old arch rivals, still battling amidst laws and strong opinions clothed in rights and morality charging the fields of IIDB.

Bleech!!