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Clara Listensprechen · 04-11-2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
[B]Do you have proven statistics for studies done of how many people know of Jesus? The Bible is the most published, read book on Earth, in more languages than any other book in existence

Which version? You're cheating when you're adding the stats of ALL versions to come up with that conclusion.

Clara Listensprechen · 04-11-2003, 11:13 PM

Methinks I found a kneejerk neoconservative here...

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Originally posted by notMichaelJackson
First, I agree with what Demigawd said (look above). Muslims do not teach that Jesus Christ was the Savior of mankind, and Islam definitely is not a form of Christianity (despite what liberals tell you).

The word "liberal" used as an autoejaculation in an arguably non-political topic. I've now earned the right to be smug for the rest of the day.

People who say they believe in Jesus' teachings are believers in the person what delivered the teachings, and that makes 'em Christians, particularly when it's the Muslims themselves that claim to be Christian. "Liberals" my arse. Both the OT and the NT, along with the Quran, is what encompasses Muslim teachings whether Sunni or Shiya. Where these differ is in the Hadiths and cultural history (the Shiites are the record holders for The Longest Keepers Of Historical Grudges, but the events that caused the old grudges are, I'll admit, quite profound in scope).

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Second, if all people who have walked the earth since the beginning of time are counted, then only about 33% of people have heard the Gospels (the only accurate account of Jesus Christ, according to Christian). The Bible may be the most widely read book of all time,

Which version? Don't cheat by adding up all the sales of all versions. If we did that sort of cheating with encyclopedia sales records including all of the languages they were published in as well, The Bible would face some stiff competition there.

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but it has been read mostly by Europeans, Latin Americans, some Africans, and a small percentage of the Indian population. There are still vast areas of the world where several people have not heard the Gospels (the jungles you pointed out, China, parts of the Middle East, ect).

The parts of the ME which are Muslim know the Gospels full well, so I expect you're not trying to cheat here, too, and count Muslim nations as ones that haven't.

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That's the modern world. Plus all the people in history who never had a chance to hear the Gospels (the vast majority of the world before 500 AD)

Third, is that 5-10%, plus all the babies and toddlers, irrelevant? Do they not matter? It's ok for God to send them to hell simply because they never heard the Gospels?

[sarcasm]What a loving, fair God![/sarcasm]

PS. Very few of those who hear of Jesus and worship him will enter heaven. See the first post in this thread. [/B]

SEE ALSO: the Catholic practice of baptizing unknowing and possibly later-unwilling children soon after birth, necessitating the redundant rite called Confirmation.

BIG AMEN on the P.S., although this is what fundie Baptists consider their license to be holier than everybody else...and then to discover if they believe only a certain fixed number Baptists are among the number to go in, it's futile to convert any in excess of that number to become Baptists. Another case of The Vicious Cycle of Religious Insanity.

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