To err is human, to neigh equine, eh Dr. Rick?
I might have known you were a fundamental
Saunterist of the most transparent kind; hiding in the saddle of the
Canterians, no less!
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Originally posted by Dr Rick : The NIVV?! Sweet Mr. Ed., I'm a IPU scholar! You are responding to the 20th century fundamentalist and YEC (Young Equine Canter) hermeneutic! They are not representative! May I suggest spending more time with the actual works of Barebackers, et al., usually found in dusty, old stalls?
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I'll have you know the NIVV is the most rigorously translated translation
ever to have been translated by translators!
Ever! When the
Council of Elizabeth Taylor first met in aught six, to expunge the heretical
Saunterists from the temple stable, it was the likes of you and your kind that hid amongst the straw and the droppings, metaphorically as well as literally speaking, of course, and to your elders that you should address your redress to, for it is they who insisted upon upholding the use of the ancient
Horse Whisperers in translating from the original
Bareback!
For decades loyal followers were forced to say, "What? What was that?" and "Speak up, Father, we're in the shitty seats in the back!" And the now infamous, "What's with all the whispering?" uprising in '32, where untold thousands were bruised up a bit had cold coffee and remained generally agitated for
centuries!
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MORE: A "literal" reading is not taking a text at face value in the face of absurdity, a literal reading is taking a poem and reading it like a poem, or a narrative as a narrative, or prophetic literature as prophetic literature.
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Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black! To borrow from the holy tongue,
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Does anyone else see the irony in this?
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MORE: In other words, an ancient text written in a strange, fogotten dialect by a superstitous person thousands of years ago can only mean what I think it means, and anyone that says differently is just stupid.
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While I respectfully agree wholeheatedly with your sentiment, it is to your
words that I am addressing my argument, or wasn't that made clear to you
hundreds of times by now? I suggest you re-read this thread
carefully before you continue with such obvious evasionary tactics.
"[A]n ancient text written in a strange, fogotten dialect by a superstitous person thousands of years ago" can
also mean that
I am "just stupid"
independently of what you do or do not "think it means!"
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MORE: I implore you to leave-off pop-IPUology for a time and look for the answers among the true riders.
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Hah!
This from a
Saunterist! Don't make me bray!
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MORE: Just accept what I say as the truth, because I think I'm really smart, and I can throw-out all sorts of obscure references to texts of questionable authenticity and meaning.
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Oh, ok. Well, since you put it that way, of course and my mistake. Yes, yes, I see your wisdom now and humbly bow down upon mine knees to beg, plead for forgiveness. For it was only until now that your authority had been made self-referentially clear to me, which, being a
true IPUtian that I am, must now mean that you are, indeed, the one true Son of Man's Son or Daughter to Not Exclude the Womens! FOR WHOM ELSE WOULD DECLARE THEMSELVES THE TRUTH BUT THE ONE TRUE IPU! FOR IT IS WRITTEN IN IPUTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST
CAPS LOQUE THAT ONLY HE OR SHE OR IT THAT PROCLAIMETH THE TRUTH, THEREFORE
ARE THE TRUTH, JUST BY THE VERY NATURE OF SPEAKING IT CLEARLY AND TO ENOUGH IDIOTS AROUND WHO WILL LISTEN!
Thus endeth the
caps loque! Everyone take out your carrots and begin to chew.
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MORE: Don 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones to not believe in me, it would be better for him to have a huge halter hung around his neck and be fed fewer oats.
Lt 9:42 If anyone causes one of these little ones to not believe in me, it would be better for him to have a huge bridle tied around his neck and to be fed fewer oats.
Fe 17:2 Look, how many times to have to tell you? If anyone causes one of these little ones to not believe in me, it would be better for him to have a huge bridle and a huge halter tied around his neck and to be fed fewer oats.
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You have quoted to me mine favorite of the thrice-setup-
punch stanzas in the book, my Lord! Indeed, it rankled and vexed me as well, but now that you have commanded me out of thine own free mouth and hands to type with, I have no choice but to blindly follow your every word as if it were and is sugar cubes or nice ripe apples from the IPU!
From this day forward let it be known high and lois that
Dr. Rick is the Father, the Son and a Doctor, so he's a nice catch, and the one true voice of the IPU! For proof I offer you
no proof! For that is the curds and whey of things!
All those who dare ask for proof shall never receive it on earth as it is in Kentucky!
For he spoke self-referentially with authority and that's good enough for everyone (under penalty of eternal damnation for non-compliance; see small print iiv, parts "S" and "X" recursively)
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MORE: Are you the least bit familar with the works of Hoof, Stifle, Mane, and my 6th grade teacher? :banghead:
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And there's where it all falls apart and I must reform my splinter theology to yours by hammering proclaimations theatrically on the temple stable walls late at night, drunk on too much mead for a fat German man and full of my own interpretive blashpemy! Although you are still surely of divine stature, your reliance upon your 6th grade teacher betrays that you have grown fat with luxury and oppulence in the short span of two or three paragraphs where you were once the future dying King of the New Stable!
And, although I deeply regret my departure from your teachings, I see now and again that the IPU moves in mysterious ways, but if pressed I would have to say quadrapedal.
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MORE: This is just a "for example."
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E.g., so you say.
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MORE: For example, you assume the first two chapters of Equestrians make very definite statements and so on. You must stand corrected.
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I sit in disagreement, as always, now that the stench of your stable no longer oppresses me!
Without baseless assumptions,
there could be no IPUlogy! We both
know that to be our assumptions!
Without
absolute assumptionary atonement for our poor riding skills, the IPU would horn us all where we stood! You
assume this is true! DON'T TRY TO CONFIRM IT! WE
BOTH ASSUME THIS IS TRUE!
So sayeth the IPU, I assume.
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MORE: They make very definite statements that the IPU, being pink, is invisible.
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True.
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MORE: They do not, however, make any definite statements as to how that was done.
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Also true. What's your point? That you
have a point?
Anyone can have a point! My
pencil has a point!
You know, points are like assumptions. Everybody has one.
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MORE: It is not a story of riding so much as it is a story of the IPU coming in media res to subdue the chaotic deep and still look really good while doing it. This very IPU who controls chaos, is the very IPU who will lead the people into their land (stables) and hold fast to Her covenant, etc. That is the point.
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There's that "point" again. Alright? So you have a point? What's your point? I find this constant reiteration of my own question to be extremely tiresome. Please refrain from doing it again. Thank me.
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MORE: It is not a shodding manual, nor does it ever claim to be. Its statements about grass are not scientific, they are pastural. Once again, you are not dealing with the fundamentalist, canter-hermeneutic here. You must deal with the actual text, if you want to say anything meaningful to me about interpretation. And that, my friend, requires real work.
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Look, I've had
real work before and this requires
nothing like it at all. Except for the thinking and typing and the copy editing and the posting and the reviewing and the editing and then the reposting with follow up analysis and discussion.
It
is a "shodding" manual and it
does claim to be in The
Book of Equipoise in the Fifth:
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Equi. in the Vth:12: "And to those who would say that mine horn and mine rainbow tinted tail and mine flowing blonde mane with no split-ends and mine hint of pachouli is but from the budding pubescent subconscious of a daydreaming girl, I say, NEIGH!
13: But I mean 'YAY!', of course, but owing to my horse status that's how it comes out. For mine horn is the fallace and mine rainbow is the colors of the gay flag and mine wig and mine scent is all the imaginings of a transexual.
14: "For is not it written, 'Aren't chicks with dicks really just guys with tits?"
15: And it was so.
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This section, though admittedly controversial for its use of modern vernacular,
still says to me, "Party with the lights on! YEE HAW!"
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MORE: Don 26:24 The Great Colt will go as it is written about him, but whoa to that by whom is not! It would be better for him if he had never been broken.
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A stunning indictment, I'll admit, but far from conclusive or even relevant to the topic at hand, wouldn't you agree? For, had one been broken, would one also
not be healed?
This is what comes of an poetic interpretation of fiction! Only a
literal interpretation of fiction will reveal the
truth!
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MORE: I find that historically it is somewhat difficult to demonstrate that Doody thought he was the "Brayer" of the original prophesies, though how you interpret "Brayer" factors into this, of course.
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How else could one? We know of "Brayers" and their central place within the early hierarchy and know further that the largest ass will bray. Was not St. Doody of the largest asses in our revered elders' past? Do we not
still celebrate Doody Day around our houses and at night with the kids and the dogs and the IPUdamned cats? Do we? Not?
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MORE: We do know that the belief that Doody was the Brayer started extremely early. As Hoofman noted, "My cousin typically identifies Doody as "Brayer" an awful lot" (1): the term occurs more than 140 times in the seven pages of his extant coloring book. Since he draws in the color orange, there is no catechetical explanation for his or the tradition's use of the instruction that we find in the later pinkoptics.
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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
??
Are you seriously suggesting that
nothing from the
Judy Bloom Codex applies here!!!!????
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MORE: Further, belief in Doody's brayanic status was certainly widespread but there is at least one problem that I am aware of. All the pinkoptic authors (and those before them and after) clearly believed Doody was the Brayer but when we get right down to it the pinkoptic evangelists could cite little direct evidence of such claims.
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Why in the world are you dragging
verifiable, direct evidence into this? As if
that could
prove anything!
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MORE: If Doody did claim to be the Brayer, he did so only to his stable boys and maybe to someone else that asked him. You are surely familair with the "Who do you say I am?" question and the "Shut-up; I'm being burned just for saying, 'huh?'" response.
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Who couldn't be and call themselve a true IPUtian? Again, it's not the
words you're typing, it's the manner in which you are
displaying them here that I take issue with.
Words don't have any meaning! Just take a look at a
dictionary to see
that!
Can we please get back on topic now and have no more of these "words" to confuse matters, yes?
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MORE: There are other texts which seem to make it unlikely that Doody ever used the term. If he had a habit of it the Gospels would contain more direct evidence.
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So it's to be yet another
Doody of the Gaps argument, eh? Sell it walking! What is
omitted is
just as viable as what
isn't there! From stable boy to exalted debutante;
all true IPUtians assume that to be true! Hell,
I assumed that was true in my
crib just last week with all my peeps.
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MORE: U. R. Poope has put forth persuasive comments against the notion that doody used the term "Brayer" to refer to himself (2). Actually, Poope thinks that Doody's self-claims may have been higher than Brayer: "Not only Brayer, but Jockey of IPU; and not just in a corral, but in the pasture of the IPU" (see Poope, p. 242.).
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Poope is full of shit! He knows squat about Doody and I'm scatologically enraged that you'd miss such an obvious load!
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MARE: I hope that you finally realize how really smart I am.
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First you'd have to define "that" and "how" and "am" for me to make any kind of snap judgement. I fear I shall wait until the pastures muddy for that one!
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